This is going well, isn't it? Personal insults and conspiracy theories, who'd have guessed.

So, how about a few facts - how does the UK's "aviation policy" compare to our neighbours in terms of quarantine, support for airlines, etc?

The policy is simple, not sure how you missed the recent announcement: "**ck business" - Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, UK PM.

The UK gave the Hungarian holding company of Wizz £300m who didn’t need the money so allowing them to pay off £300m of loans with cheap UK loans.

LTNman...

Semantics or no this thread title appeals more...certainly to myself & is quite specific if you care to read or re read the heading...

I count two different threads & like me you have posted across both but your good self has continued discussion thru at least two airport threads as well may I point out...

You mention mass travel but airbridges were/are contrived rightly or wrongly from political & Governmental desire too though yes/no? & all modes of travel basically encouraged by the Government in recent times...

If the majority of posts may appear "government bashing" to you perhaps that may indicate others view & express certain issues differently but are no less valid in these trying & difficult times for the industry..

Isn’t this factually incorrect? It was in fact a U.K. based subsidiary?

There is a long list of people exempt from the regulations and it includes lorry drivers and those traveling weekly for business. I assume such exemptions would be reciprocal. Lots of EU nations were quarantining brits and many still do so we are by no means alone in this. Ireland is still advising against travel to almost everywhere.

As for the conspiracy theories in other posts, it’s good to see everyone believes everything they read on social media...

That's a good question and maybe someone has easy access to that data. I don't unfortunately but have found that Germany has, effective today, imposed some form of self-isolation at home for those returning from Spain and the Balearic Islands. They seem to define 'risk areas' as those having a 14 day cumulative infection rate of 50 per 100,000 population. Spain is 111, Malta 84, Belgium 59, Netherlands 42, France 34, while the UK is currently 17 per 100,00. It seems that the UK applies a lower infection rate to its quarantine policy than does Germany at this time.

A previous poster stated that the UK's infection rate is "verging on the same level as .... France". That's hardly accurate as it is only 50% of the current French infection rate.

The money went to the holding company which is Hungarian. Not saying that is wrong but on the face of it seemed a little strange except Wizz Air Holdings LTD is listed on the U.K. stock exchange despite not being a U.K. company

Like many I have lost foreign holidays this year when both Gibraltar and Spain imposed their own travel bans. In my case they were holidays booked last year but it was something I had to take on the chin and just accept. I now watch winging holidaymakers returning from France saying the decision was disgusting when it has been hinted about for a good week as French numbers rise.

Seems to me like most people coming back from France aren't "winging" at all but just fairly accepting albeit disappointed. At the same time theyre trying to avoid being put in lockdown again. Maybe the Daily Mail/Express/Sun have put a spin on it for some. I haven't booked a holiday this year but I don't begrudge other people taking the gamble, especially if it helps to keep some sort of revenue stream coming into the aviation industry. I guess some people are quite happy for airports and airlines to fail and for employees and investors to take a hit, or maybe they don't understand basic business.

Nice edit LTNman...but still contradictory yes/no...

The question you require to answer for yourself is WHO did nothing to discourage & even encourage all modes of & including mass travel (airbridges) in recent times that as you point out is causing the increase in outbreaks if not the Government itself?...Contrarily you choose to castigate others here instead for "government bashing "in pointing out reality (albeit in their own way perhaps)

Reality & answer is simples keeping to the theme of the thread...This Government does not have a strategic approach for airports with the current pandemic & everyone is feeling or will feel consequences...
Mass travel is/was obviously too soon especially with an inadequate test/trace & mitigation system & clear lack of focused virus education on their own media for younger people who as travelers too are the main spreaders now.

I don't think that the government encouraged mass travel. It always said that it would not hesitate to reinstate restrictions and that any travel was at your own risk. It merely listed those destinations which at that time were lower risk.

Correct wouldn`t really disagree with the headline/strap announcements/advice from Government but after many weeks of lockdown it could be thought the resulting rebounding scale of holiday travel was inevitable/predictable & therefore condoned (of course at own risk) Certainly the PM turned volte face & sought to encourage a large return to public transport right out of the box...

This policy also continues to poll well with voters hence why it’s continuing. In polling, bailouts and support for airlines also gets very little support. Few people think airlines look out for anyone other than themselves hence when airlines then want help few are willing to support them. Especially with BA being shown in the media as firing their staff to rehire on lower wages despite profits and VS being shown as the toy of a tax dodging billionaire.

The government made clear that any destination on the list could easily be removed and at short notice. Ministers also said in interviews that they wouldn’t recommend booking holidays abroad.

Lorry drivers have never been subject of quarantine or travel restrictions at anytime throughout the whole pandemic. A lot of foreigners refused to deliver but we were still getting about 10 artic loads a day from Poland and Italy.

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"Ministers also said in interviews that they wouldn`t recommend booking holidays abroad"....

Ahhh that explains the Secretary of State for Transport red faced & expedited back to the UK from holiday in Spain to serve his 14 days Q forthwith then...

Doesn't mean they all followed the advice... I know several MPs are in France and Holland now and will also be affected.

At the end of the day it is obvious that a global pandemic is still underway and any trips will be at risk. Surely we don’t need the Government to tell us everything constantly? The media have been reporting for a week that France was likely to be added back to the list and they did give a day and a half notice which was more than Spain and Belgium got.

While the government have not covered themselves in glory (yet again) with their decision the airline industry didn't exactly help themselves by suddenly putting up prices for those people wanting to fly back before the deadline. One flight (didn't catch which airline) was mentioned on the news yesterday evening with the price going from £100 to £300. Profiteering? Surely not.

I think we should be very concerned about the U.K. virus case position, in the last 3 days it has risen by about 40%
2days ago 1009 yesterday 1129 today 1440 We are heading the same way as France.
Even if there is no further increase that’s circa 10000 cases on a rolling 7 day measure.
I should be very interested to know how the experts calculate the 17.4 per 100000 level that they report
notwithstanding this rise the deaths are falling so is all this lockdown being overplayed

I’ve got a lot of legitimate criticisms of the Government and I’m glad to see some of those issues being picked up fairly widely by others. You don’t have to be a Remoaner to see giving a £150m contract to a £100 company run by a friend for PPE that turns out to be inadequate is wrong.

This is something we can’t prove, but the cynic in me thinks the strategy IS to harm the aviation sector. Amongst the very many electoral problems for the Tories to see off is airport expansion, and to a lesser extent the climate change lobby. Well, decimating the sector very much puts Heathrow and others very much back into the long grass. And possibly gives scope to reduce APD without upsetting environmentalists.