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That's like saying all cases are imported because it originally came from China. How many of today's cases were caught abroad or directly from somebody who had caught it abroad?
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So there you have it,it's all the fault of those falling off the plane from Las Americas. Marvellous.The games afoot!
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During all the fuss about Nicola Sturgeon telling people not to book holidays it was reported that there was a paper submitted to SAGE that said that - I've looked for the actual paper but can't find it:
It comes as a new report prepared by scientific experts shows that travel across the UK and abroad helped being new strains of coronavirus to Scotland over the summer, fuelling a second wave of infections. The paper, which was prepared for the UK Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, highlighted the role of travel in “reigniting outbreaks of the virus after it has been suppressed”. |
I think the SAGE paper was based on this https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...063v2.full.pdf which states "The cluster first rises in frequency in Spain, initially jumping to around 60% prevalence within a month of the first sequence being detected. In the United Kingdom, France, Ireland, and Switzerland we observe a gradual rise starting in mid-July. In Wales and Scotland the variant was at 80% by mid-September"
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Originally Posted by ericsson16
(Post 10946684)
So there you have it,it's all the fault of those falling off the plane from Las Americas. Marvellous.The games afoot!
Here we report on a novel SARS-CoV-2 variant, 20A.EU1, that emergedin Spain in early summer, and subsequently spread to multiple locations in Europe,accounting for the majority of sequences by autumn. We find no evidence of increased transmissibility of this variant, but instead demonstrate how rising incidence in Spain, resumption of travel across Europe, and lack of effective screening and containment may explain the variant’s success. Despite travel restrictions and quarantine requirements, we estimate 20A.EU1 was introduced hundreds of times to countries across Europe by summertime travellers, likely undermining local efforts to keep SARS-CoV-2 cases low |
I stand corrected It was the Italian Riviera. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/2/20-4632_article
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LTNman
Strange democracy that rules Hong Kong for 90 years via an appointed Govenor and only decided Hong Kong should have a democractic Govt when they were handing it back to its owners. Or is this the one that has general elections where winning 43.6% of the vote gives you 56.2% of the seats in parliment. Oh wait it is one and the same. |
Link Kilo
UK lockdown ended 4th of July and people went nuts with pubs and other places open and a lets all party attitude. But lets put the blame elsewehre even when people were not travelling. |
Originally Posted by inOban
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It's certainly true that the onset of autumnal weather driving people indoors accelerated the growth of the second wave, but if it hadn't already been spreading as a result of the returning holidaymakers there wouldn't have been so many spreaders to spread it.
Community care less attitude from July onwards was responsibility for increase in cases not holiday makers. |
Vokes55
Same people want aviation to recover but decry people using aviation now. |
Originally Posted by RedDragonFlyer
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Considering Ryanair are currently selling a raft of flights for £5 from Eastern Europe to the UK and £150-200 from the UK to Eastern Europe, I am guessing those flights coming to the UK are rather empty.
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Originally Posted by racedo
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Same people want aviation to recover but decry people using aviation now.
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LTN
Give me the vaccine ASAP please, if it means I know longer to have so many Covid Tests for travelling (well past 30 now) and not fill out so many Govt forms. It would be great if it was like Yellow Fever Cert for vaccine. You could put it in peoples Passport which would make things easier. |
Mr Mac,
I recall Matt Hancock announcing that the UK won't be introducing an official Covid-19 vaccination certificate, which to me seems plain stupid, but then why should I expect anything different from the current UK government. Perhaps getting the jab in Germany might be the best way of obtaining a certificate; they after all have a form for just about everything!! |
This week at least
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ATNotts
You may well be correct but it would be good if there was an international one, as I for see a form written in German causing some issues at borders around the world. Perhaps one in English / French / Chinese ? As for getting the actual Jab I have taken my que from the Flue Vaccine, and will keep options open as after many cancellations in the UK I ended up getting that in Germany as well. Wallsendmag As you say things do change by the day in the UK, or maybe I should say England under current leader !! |
What's the point of a COVID vaccination certificate when the expiry date is unknown?
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Mike current
As you say, we do not know yet officially how long the inoculation lasts, 6 months or longer. If like Yellow Fever and is a significant time, then then a certificate would be worth while for frequent travellers, as repeated test and paperwork associated are time consuming and not always easy to accommodate. ATNotts Same the world over due to TV / Hollywood for none native English speakers I find, though US service personnel in southern Germany also lead to and increase I think. Funny that the BAOR / RAF did not have a similar impact re accents in NW Germany. |
mike current
As long as the date of the (second) vaccination is recorded on there, local border rules can state that your certificate is valid until [X Months / Years] beyond that date? |
Mr Mac
So what happens when mutations occur ? |
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