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PintofDoom 26th Jan 2020 13:26

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....92e5a955f1.jpg
I got sent this, gives a full idea to the planned operation.

PDXCWL45 26th Jan 2020 14:29

The Cardiff times are interesting as it means that the aircraft will sit on the ground for 2 and a half hours at Cardiff after the returning from Anglesey. It usually departs for NCL at 10.20 and will depart for my flight to ABZ in March at 10.20 as well.
It also looks like CWL may lose Aberdeen. Again!

PintofDoom 26th Jan 2020 14:39

I wouldn't be surprised, there isnt a huge demand for the route, people would be better transiting via AMS to go to ABZ.

caaardiff 26th Jan 2020 16:41

I'm a little confused with the above timetable. I'm guessing it's only specific for the aircraft based at, or running through MME. From what I can work out regarding CWL the top half schedule:
From 10th Feb: 2x J41's per day, one based at MME which ends its day at CWL and one based at CWL which ends its day at MME.
From 4th Mar: 2x J41's per day operating the same way as above & ER4 operating the new MME routes.
From 27th Apr: 2x J41's per day both based at MME & the ER4. CWL see's ABZ-MME-CWL in AM but only CWL-MME in PM, no connection or onward to ABZ. This however isn't reflected by what's on sale on Flybe's website which is as per prior to 27th Apr change. (When doing a dummy booking in May)
Lastly, and a topic probably more suited to the CWL thread but worth noting regarding what T3 are planning, the CWL-VLY PSO service isn't shown on this timetable. Assuming they are either pulling the plug or continuing to base an aircraft at CWL and not use it for the MME services, which seems poor aircraft utilisation having sat around all day again.

Letsflycwl 26th Jan 2020 16:57


Originally Posted by caaardiff (Post 10672150)
I'm a little confused with the above timetable. I'm guessing it's only specific for the aircraft based at, or running through MME. From what I can work out regarding CWL the top half schedule:
From 10th Feb: 2x J41's per day, one based at MME which ends its day at CWL and one based at CWL which ends its day at MME.
From 4th Mar: 2x J41's per day operating the same way as above & ER4 operating the new MME routes.
From 27th Apr: 2x J41's per day both based at MME & the ER4. CWL see's ABZ-MME-CWL in AM but only CWL-MME in PM, no connection or onward to ABZ. This however isn't reflected by what's on sale on Flybe's website which is as per prior to 27th Apr change. (When doing a dummy booking in May)
Lastly, and a topic probably more suited to the CWL thread but worth noting regarding what T3 are planning, the CWL-VLY PSO service isn't shown on this timetable. Assuming they are either pulling the plug or continuing to base an aircraft at CWL and not use it for the MME services, which seems poor aircraft utilisation having sat around all day again.

Eastern have a 4 year contract with the Welsh Government to operate the CWL-VLY sector x2 daily and they have a based J41 for this route. I cannot see them pulling this at all for this reason.

highwideandugly 26th Jan 2020 17:02

It’s not the messiah...it’s a very dodgy airline! Sorry MP.

Pulled to shreds over the last couple of years on this and other threads..!

At least Eastern are giving TIA a go....who knows where it will end..but it’s up to the Teesside public to back these routes as per
the outcry for more routes and a viable airport.

Is it a vanity project..or has the mayor judged the groundswell of opinion just right?

caaardiff 26th Jan 2020 17:12

Flybe gained funding from CWL and DSA for project Blackbird despite CWL being owned by the Welsh Government. I wonder if Eastern have been given a similar deal on a smaller financial scale to get these routes going?

BAladdy 27th Jan 2020 07:18

I hope that after the announcement if T3’s new routes that MME are looking to secure a more regular public transport service to either Darlington or Durham.

PintofDoom 27th Jan 2020 07:21

Lets see how it takes before they mess this up. Glasgow barely lasted 3 months.

And Eastern have been trying to get rid of the Saab2000s since the start of 2019. And the J41s days are numbered, unless the plan to buy back the 41s that they sold to Easyfly and Yeti airlines.

The Ejets are planned to go into operation for BACF again, although T3 could bid for the Airbus contract again, however, they need to improve and apologise to Airbus for the poor operation of the contract last time.

BAladdy 27th Jan 2020 07:40


Originally Posted by PintofDoom (Post 10672699)
The Ejets are planned to go into operation for BACF again

What is your source of this info?

JSCL 27th Jan 2020 07:52

I struggle to believe it if I’m honest. BACF already have ample downtime in their own fleet and are trying to put it to work...

Albert Hall 27th Jan 2020 07:55

I've said before - they will not be welcome back at BACF after the fiasco last time. If they are taking the EJets back in the hope of a BACF contract, it's a big miscalculation.

PDXCWL45 27th Jan 2020 08:17


Originally Posted by Albert Hall (Post 10672719)
I've said before - they will not be welcome back at BACF after the fiasco last time. If they are taking the EJets back in the hope of a BACF contract, it's a big miscalculation.

Or they already know that they have a contract with them which would give them the confidence to get the aircraft.

SWBKCB 27th Jan 2020 14:31


Originally Posted by BAladdy (Post 10672695)
I hope that after the announcement if T3’s new routes that MME are looking to secure a more regular public transport service to either Darlington or Durham.

Durham?? Darlington maybe, but does the planned level of activity warrant the costs involved?


I wonder if Eastern have been given a similar deal on a smaller financial scale to get these routes going?
I'd be amazed if the Mayor hasn't come up with some form of incentive. Also, has anybody else noticed that Stobart's name seems to be as absent as Flybe's? Was Kate Willard at the event - not normally shy in getting front of a camera!


LGS6753 27th Jan 2020 18:31

I would imagine the people using these expensive business-focused routes would arrive at the airport by car.

Lancelot37 27th Jan 2020 18:56

When there used to be a Free bus service from the nearby railway halt years ago there were often never more than 6 passengers a day used it.

Robert-Ryan 27th Jan 2020 20:48


Originally Posted by LGS6753 (Post 10673165)
I would imagine the people using these expensive business-focused routes would arrive at the airport by car.

Which routes are those? The new ones are to be competitive according to Eastern Airways.

tigertanaka 27th Jan 2020 21:25


Originally Posted by BAladdy (Post 10672695)
I hope that after the announcement if T3’s new routes that MME are looking to secure a more regular public transport service to either Darlington or Durham.

It's £10 one way from anywhere in Darlington in a taxi, plus there are 8 buses a day from the town centre.

SWBKCB 28th Jan 2020 07:05


I wonder if Eastern have been given a similar deal on a smaller financial scale to get these routes going?
So, at the top of Pintofdoom's post #241, just noticed that it says "Based on a funding model with 75% of seat sales revenue back to Teesside Airport under a divisible benefit share" - can anybody clarify?

tigertanaka 28th Jan 2020 18:18


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10673467)
So, at the top of Pintofdoom's post #241, just noticed that it says "Based on a funding model with 75% of seat sales revenue back to Teesside Airport under a divisible benefit share" - can anybody clarify?

Good spot! It would be interesting to know what was written above that sentence.


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