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Asturias56 8th Jul 2019 06:55

Fined £ 183 million for data breach last year
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48905907

British Airways says it is facing a record fine of £183m for last year's breach of its security systems. The airline, owned by IAG, says it was "surprised and disappointed" by the penalty from the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO). At the time, BA said hackers had carried out a "sophisticated, malicious criminal attack" on its website.

The ICO said it was the biggest penalty it had ever handed out and the first to be made public under new rules The General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) came into force last year and was the biggest shake-up to data privacy in 20 years.

The penalty imposed on BA is the first one to be made public since those rules were introduced and amounts to 1.5% of its worldwide turnover in 2017, less than the possible maximum of 4%. Until now, the biggest penalty was £500,000, imposed on Facebook for its role in the Cambridge Analytica data scandal. That was the maximum allowed under the old data protection rules that applied before GDPR.

BA has 28 days to appeal. Willie Walsh, chief executive of IAG, said British Airways would be making representations to the ICO. "We intend to take all appropriate steps to defend the airline's position vigorously, including making any necessary appeals," he said. BA has previously said approximately 380,000 transactions were affected, but the stolen data did not include travel or passport details.

The information included names, email addresses, credit card information such as credit card numbers, expiration dates and the three-digit CVV code found on the back of credit cards, although BA has said it did not store CVV numbers. The incident was first disclosed on 6 September 2018.

Alex Cruz, British Airways' chairman and chief executive, said: "We are surprised and disappointed in this initial finding from the ICO. "British Airways responded quickly to a criminal act to steal customers' data. We have found no evidence of fraud/fraudulent activity on accounts linked to the theft.

"We apologise to our customers for any inconvenience this event caused."

FFHKG 8th Jul 2019 08:47

I have to disagree with Alex Cruz stolen data has not led to fraud/fraudulent activity. Recently, I had a flurry of fraudulent transactions on a UK credit card that had been used to book flights via the BA website at the time of the data breach. None of my other UK cards or my Spanish, none of which I had used with BA, have been subject to similar fraudulent activity. From this, I can only draw the conclusion that the BA data breach was the source of the data used.

DaveReidUK 8th Jul 2019 10:02


Originally Posted by FFHKG (Post 10512719)
I have to disagree with Alex Cruz stolen data has not led to fraud/fraudulent activity. Recently, I had a flurry of fraudulent transactions on a UK credit card that had been used to book flights via the BA website at the time of the data breach. None of my other UK cards or my Spanish, none of which I had used with BA, have been subject to similar fraudulent activity. From this, I can only draw the conclusion that the BA data breach was the source of the data used.

Did you notify BA of your conclusion ?

Cruz didn't say that there had been no fraudulent activity, but that BA hadn't found any evidence of any.

finncapt 8th Jul 2019 10:47

FFHKG.

Whilst you may be correct, you have not stated that the credit card used on the BA website has not been used at any time before/since for any other transactions.

A bit of leap to come to the conclusion you have done.

As suggested above, if you think BA was the source, the appropriate action is to inform them and request they investigate.

Asturias56 8th Jul 2019 11:21

I see this as a shot across a lot of people's bows using the new penalties - everyone has heard of BA and that fine is eye watering to a lot of outfits

It'll get a lot of attention - which is the idea I suppose

davidjohnson6 8th Jul 2019 14:55

It would be extremely difficult for an individual to prove that BA's website issue led to fraud or provide anything that is evidence of this incident being a cause - and BA's lawyers are well aware of this.
One would have to show audit logs that a) the gang stole the details of the card in question (not just that they had the means to do so), b) that the card in question is in the audit log showing which card details were then sold on and c) that the next gang were the ones who used the card to make an unauthorised purchase.

Any gang capable of hacking BA will most certainly have known to cover their tracks and take precautions against any data snooping (ie maximum encryption everywhere). Audit logs proving the transfer of card details will probably not exist; if they exist they will be encrypted; even if one has the password, one would need to go through Interpol to obtain the logs - and diplomatic relations at the moment may prevent this

As a private individual, you can complain to BA, but the PR people will not budge easily and it will be very difficult to prove definitively any blame against BA - the most one can do is show BA were lax in their handling of personal data and throw the GDPR book against them

BAladdy 19th Jul 2019 20:28

BA today announced that they ware bringing forward the start of A350-1000 long haul operations and begin operating to DXB on 2nd September. A350 ops to DXB had originally been planned to start 8th October.

PAXboy 22nd Jul 2019 15:49

British Airways pilots have voted in favour of strike action in a dispute over pay, threatening a walkout over the key summer holiday period.The British Airline Pilots' Association (Balpa) said 93% of its members had voted in favour of industrial action.

The union said it did not yet have any dates for a potential strike, adding it hopes the dispute can be resolved.

A strike would be likely to cause severe disruption, as Balpa represents about 90% of the airline's pilots.


BBC News

Asturias56 23rd Jul 2019 09:51

talking about August 6th for kic

Question is will BA settle quickly to minimize damage or decide to slug it out?

PAXboy 23rd Jul 2019 16:21

Round One
Headline reads: BA loses legal action against pilot strikes

SWBKCB 4th Aug 2019 06:55


"We are not seeing any evidence of the Brexit impact," said Willie Walsh, chief executive of BA parent IAG, during a results briefing today. He acknowledges that Ryanair and other airlines have warned how their operations could be affected, especially by a no-deal Brexit. But he insists: "We don't see any impact on bookings or the profile of bookings going forward in terms of the visibility that we have." Walsh suspects that BA's heavy reliance on London and the UK southeast may be one explanation for the carrier's apparent resilience. "Maybe… we are not exposed to the whole of the UK as they [competitors] would be," he says.
BA sees no impact on bookings from Brexit uncertainty

USERNAME_ 5th Aug 2019 18:09

https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/05/briti...abin-10523587/


MEDN evacuated in VLC due to smoke in the cabin.

PAXboy 7th Aug 2019 12:28

BA still not learnt their lesson about their truly awful IT set up. More flights canx and delyaed due to a 'glitch'. They need to bite the bullet and spend money to fix this. They have to learn that they are an IT company who operate aircraft.

ScotsSLF 7th Aug 2019 14:16

Quite. Was on the 0915 from EDI into LHR (sorry still on at 1515) and stuck outside T4 awaiting steps and bus back to T5. Captain has no idea what is happening. Shambles

Seljuk22 7th Aug 2019 16:10

Looks like LH group will go after BA's America business as they will lauch several new routes next summer from FRA, MUC and ZRH. We'll see if there might be any impact on BA's LHR flights.
https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/...f-626f45321874

https://swiss.newsmarket.com/english...b-9f0bf8ff265c

JonnyH 7th Aug 2019 18:12


Originally Posted by PAXboy (Post 10539048)
BA still not learnt their lesson about their truly awful IT set up. More flights canx and delyaed due to a 'glitch'. They need to bite the bullet and spend money to fix this. They have to learn that they are an IT company who operate aircraft.

They moved their IT team from Newcastle to India and there has been problems ever since...

davidjohnson6 7th Aug 2019 18:19

The people who do the IT for BA who are based in India - are they employees of a BA contolled company, or do they work instead for one of the outsourcing providers instead ? An employee of (for example) Infosys cares far more about what Infosys wants - and has little or no incentive to make an effort to help BA beyond what is on the written contract agreed between their employer (Infosys) and BA

lfc84 7th Aug 2019 18:44

i think its outsourced .ie. non directly employed labour

PAXboy 7th Aug 2019 20:45

Yes, I know they outsourced and it has been discussed in various places. They have failed to understand - as countless big companies have - what has changed. They see the IT as an adjunct when it is central. I worked in telecommunications and IT for 27 years starting in 1978. I saw how companies came to rely more on their systems but treated the staff as if they were still doing 'some batch processing overnight'. I even recall one Data Centre manager at a plc you would all know (not BA), who did not like having PCs in his centre as they were not proper computers.

JonnyH 7th Aug 2019 22:04


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10539329)
The people who do the IT for BA who are based in India - are they employees of a BA contolled company, or do they work instead for one of the outsourcing providers instead ? An employee of (for example) Infosys cares far more about what Infosys wants - and has little or no incentive to make an effort to help BA beyond what is on the written contract agreed between their employer (Infosys) and BA

It is outsourced to a third party company. It moved from Newcastle about 4-5 years ago and there’s a direct correlation between this happening and multiple computer failures as well as website downtime and the data breach.

This was another Alex Cruz cost cutting measure and it’s safe to say this was a massive own goal.. the ironic thing is they’ve not saved a penny with all the issues it has caused and it hasn’t given BA any positive publicity at all.

USERNAME_ 10th Aug 2019 22:56

Appears the A350 is out of service for a few days as a precaution after a hairy go around today.

Great start.




SWBKCB 11th Aug 2019 06:03


Originally Posted by USERNAME_ (Post 10542126)
Appears the A350 is out of service for a few days as a precaution after a hairy go around today.

Great start.

And this is news?

PAXboy 11th Aug 2019 15:59

It takes time to know a new machine. Better safe than sorry. Everyone wants everything Yesterday.

El Bunto 12th Aug 2019 15:51


Originally Posted by PAXboy (Post 10542536)
It takes time to know a new machine. Better safe than sorry. Everyone wants everything Yesterday.

They've been in the A350 sim since at least February. They 'know' the machine inside out.

EGAC is Better 13th Aug 2019 08:41


Originally Posted by El Bunto (Post 10543282)
They've been in the A350 sim since at least February. They 'know' the machine inside out.

Is it possible a wind gust during the go around took them temporarily overspeed and that could have happened to anyone at that exact time?

The approach looks to have been broken off quite early at around 1500 feet and there were unsubstantiated rumours elsewhere that was due to a wind shear alert

Has this only been publicised because it happened to the shiny new plane that a lot of people are wishing to try out? If it had been an A32x or B777 not a single word would have been publicly uttered about it?

SWBKCB 13th Aug 2019 11:56


Has this only been publicised because it happened to the shiny new plane that a lot of people are wishing to try out? If it had been an A32x or B777 not a single word would have been publicly uttered about it?
Spot on! It's click bait.

DaveReidUK 13th Aug 2019 13:30


Originally Posted by EGAC is Better (Post 10543738)
Has this only been publicised because it happened to the shiny new plane that a lot of people are wishing to try out? If it had been an A32x or B777 not a single word would have been publicly uttered about it?

I'm not so sure. An aircraft is pulled from service following an in-flight incident and fails to operate two subsequent planned rotations while checks are carried out.

Yes, the fact that it's a new type in the fleet makes it of additional interest, but I think we'd have heard about it anyway, regardless of the aircraft involved.


JamesC787 15th Aug 2019 12:24

772 Refurbishment
 
Hi,
Just wondering if anyone knows if/when the G-YMM batch of 772s are due for refurbishment? I’m aware that all the G-VII are complete but I recently flew home from BOS aboard G-YMMG in WT+ and it’s fair to say the cabin was pretty knackered and in need of some TLC. Is this due to happen soon?

Cazza_fly 15th Aug 2019 22:30


Originally Posted by JamesC787 (Post 10545815)
Hi,
Just wondering if anyone knows if/when the G-YMM batch of 772s are due for refurbishment? I’m aware that all the G-VII are complete but I recently flew home from BOS aboard G-YMMG in WT+ and it’s fair to say the cabin was pretty knackered and in need of some TLC. Is this due to happen soon?

They are all due for refurbishment. However, the LGW fleet is first in line. So once they are complete the (majority of time) LHR based frames will follow. There's been various rumours of the majority YMM* fleet to be converted to 3 class only, with 10-abreast in World Traveller config and new Club World at LHR.

The 4 class 777s are expected to have first config reduced to 8 seats and new Club World installed also from LHR.

It's currently a very very slow process but much if it has been taking place during other checks using a 3rd party. Hopefully space in-house will be freed up to help speed up the process for consistency.

Asturias56 16th Aug 2019 12:04

Another questionnaire
 
By email - and it looks exactly the same as the one they sent 3 months ago..... complete waste of time as you can never actually fill in anything useful in the way of real issues

Such as Catering, seats, pricing, cancellations etc etc :(

BAladdy 16th Aug 2019 20:57


Originally Posted by Cazza_fly (Post 10546309)
They are all due for refurbishment. However, the LGW fleet is first in line. So once they are complete the (majority of time) LHR based frames will follow. There's been various rumours of the majority YMM* fleet to be converted to 3 class only, with 10-abreast in World Traveller config and new Club World at LHR.

The 4 class 777s are expected to have first config reduced to 8 seats and new Club World installed also from LHR.

It's currently a very very slow process but much if it has been taking place during other checks using a 3rd party. Hopefully space in-house will be freed up to help speed up the process for consistency.

G-YMMG/H/I/J/K/L/N/O & P are to be reconfigured from 4 to 3 class. The aircraft will be configured 48J/40W/184Y

G-RAES/G-VIIA-N/S are to be reconfigured from 14F/48J/40W/124Y to 8F/49J/40W/138Y

All the 77W’s are to also be reconfigured from there current 14F/56J/44W/183Y to a HI-J config of 8F/72J/48W/136Y

All the aircraft will be fitted with Club suite, a 10 a-breast cabin in WT. The 4 class will also be fitted with a new F seat similar in design to the seat on the 789.

the configuration shown above are what is currently planned. However further changes are possible.



CabinCrewe 16th Aug 2019 21:49

Looks like the F offering over the fleet will be significantly reduced. Will be interesting to see what that results in-
More Revenue seats and less redemptions and upgrades
Fuller busier smaller cabins with harder to get seats which are more expensive.
Will 8 seat F cabins appear on 78-1, some A35K, and 77X ?
A380 reduce F cabin?
I quite liked it when it was a half empty F cabin!

Cazza_fly 17th Aug 2019 06:23


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 10547150)
Looks like the F offering over the fleet will be significantly reduced. Will be interesting to see what that results in-
More Revenue seats and less redemptions and upgrades
Fuller busier smaller cabins with harder to get seats which are more expensive.
Will 8 seat F cabins appear on 78-1, some A35K, and 77X ?
A380 reduce F cabin?
I quite liked it when it was a half empty F cabin!

I was lead to believe that some, if not all B787-10s would be in a 4 class config as they will be flying many East Coast USA and Middle Eastern routes where First is in demand . The 777-9's are also to be 4-class configured with 325 seats as things stand.

All the A350-1000s are to be 3-class .

As for the A380, with the new "8 seat" First cabins being rolled out across the rest of BAs fleet, this could help make the A380 more efficient by better use of its cabin pace and increasing seat capacity. The 8 seat First cabin could be moved to the forward upper-deck leaving the larger downstairs section for World Traveller/World Traveller Plus. The remaining upper-deck could be the new Club World seats.



BAladdy 17th Aug 2019 07:04


Originally Posted by Cazza_fly (Post 10547315)
I was lead to believe that some, if not all B787-10s would be in a 4 class config as they will be flying many East Coast USA and Middle Eastern routes where First is in demand

You are correct all 12 787-10’s on order are to be delivered in a 4 class configuration. BA have confirmed that the they will be fitted with 8 first seats, however the exact number of seats to be fitted in the other 3 cabins is as yet to be confirmed.

BA have decided to only fit the 787-10’s with a flight crew rest area but not a cabin crew rest area. This means that the aircraft will be limited to the length of flights it can operate. The aircraft will be able to fly as far west as Seattle and as far east as Delhi and Mumbai. Heard yesterday that the first 787-10 route is going to be Atlanta followed by Houston and Newark. Although this is yet to be officially confirmed.

spacedog 17th Aug 2019 12:09

Re the B777 new config.....whati about the remaining fleet
G YMMA-F G YMMR-U are there any plans to change their configuration from 48/24/203.
would are sense to follow the rest of the ER fleet and just st have 1 configuration.

Alex321 17th Aug 2019 15:45


Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 10547541)
Re the B777 new config.....whati about the remaining fleet
G YMMA-F G YMMR-U are there any plans to change their configuration from 48/24/203.
would are sense to follow the rest of the ER fleet and just st have 1 configuration.

G-YMMC has already been refurbished internally to 32/48/252, bringing it in line with the Gatwick VII series aircraft refurbished last year with Panasonic IFE and 10 abreast in World Traveller. YMM A/B/D/E/F are to follow this winter. YMMR onwards will be done after this winter.

PAXboy 17th Aug 2019 18:52

The reduction is F is no surprise. Once C reached the Flat Bed and enclosed pod, then Firt has to offer a LOT more in this day and age.

Rutan16 17th Aug 2019 19:27


Originally Posted by PAXboy (Post 10547798)
The reduction is F is no surprise. Once C reached the Flat Bed and enclosed pod, then Firt has to offer a LOT more in this day and age.

Much more to do with those paying -x10 base fares choosing Netjets and similar fractional ownership and indeed other corporate jets these days.



Asturias56 18th Aug 2019 07:59

I used to occasionally come across people who'd travel in First but it's several years since that happened.

As C now offers everything you used to get in F only 5 years ago why pay the extra?

CabinCrewe 18th Aug 2019 08:22

There are differences and at the moment the two class experiences are most certainly not like for like.
Apart from the hard product/seat (For BA on A350 currently only) the seats remain different and F is better than current J.
The staff/pax ratio in F vs J is superior.
The toilet and personal space ratio is higher.
Cabin generally smaller, quieter for sleeping
The food offering is better.
For BA at LHR T5 the lounge offering is better (eg CCR) and the new(ish) First Wing private security channel is a great advantage. The J lounges at LHR are often a 'zoo' .
Priority disembarkation (eg F off first) is great at places like MIA and JFK where security is a nightmare
Others airlines differentiate even more eg LH private limousine ground transfers
FF tier point accumulation is higher in F than J

For those that appreciate these things (and often the fare difference is not massive) why would you not?



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