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Rutan16 13th Apr 2020 16:14

Their are a few oil workers that use the service , however it main purpose has been to bring Norwegian premier league football fans and bargain shoppers into the North West over weekend period. Suspension until the proposed start of the 2020/21 season is no coincidence

AirportPlanner1 13th Apr 2020 16:32

Wideroe have done some repatriation in the last week or so from STN including to Oslo which isn’t a normal destination. So that could be the purpose of the Bergen flights, again making use of Liverpool as an airport they already use so probably already have handling in place at.

116d 14th Apr 2020 12:20


Originally Posted by Rutan16 (Post 10748822)
Their are a few oil workers that use the service , however it main purpose has been to bring Norwegian premier league football fans and bargain shoppers into the North West over weekend period. Suspension until the proposed start of the 2020/21 season is no coincidence

There's no guarantee the new season will start in August and nor is it certain football matches being played in front of a crowd will be allowed by then.

The current thinking is to resume the current season in order to finish it off as soon as it's safe to do so and probably behind closed doors. June is the current earliest estimate, but nobody really knows. Either way, next season is likely to start late.

Rutan16 14th Apr 2020 12:47


Originally Posted by 116d (Post 10749639)
There's no guarantee the new season will start in August and nor is it certain football matches being played in front of a crowd will be allowed by then.

The current thinking is to resume the current season in order to finish it off as soon as it's safe to do so and probably behind closed doors. June is the current earliest estimate, but nobody really knows. Either way, next season is likely to start late.

Personal perspective only .Couldn't really care less if and when the Football season finishes or starts . 22 men kicking a bag of wind isn’t my thing !


BACsuperVC10 15th Apr 2020 16:34

The next LPL-BGO flights are in the system for August, of course this could change.

BACsuperVC10 15th Apr 2020 16:35


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10748828)
Wideroe have done some repatriation in the last week or so from STN including to Oslo which isn’t a normal destination. So that could be the purpose of the Bergen flights, again making use of Liverpool as an airport they already use so probably already have handling in place at.

i think they were repatriated flights.

SWBKCB 17th Apr 2020 10:34


Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10 (Post 10751000)
The next LPL-BGO flights are in the system for August, of course this could change.

It has - one inbound at the moment.

BACsuperVC10 24th Apr 2020 08:49

Wideroe are operating a Bergen service today at 12.40 WF381

BACsuperVC10 5th May 2020 11:02

The last Bergen flight went last Friday 1 May, now seems a gap before they restart, but of course could change. Wizz Air is due to re-starts ops next week.

FRatSTN 6th May 2020 08:29

I know it's early days and still alot can change, but, does anybody know if EZY is looking to reduce the Liverpool base for S21?

It's just that the initial release up to May 4th next year shows a number of reduced frequencies on several routes, notably BCN (12 to 8x pw), CDG (daily to 5x pw) and GVA (5 to 3x pw) amongst others, as well as what looks to be the ending of services to SXF/BER, NAP and PMO.

No other base in the UK seems to have these kinds of reductions, mirroring almost exactly what's in the current schedule end of May/early June this year; So all the more curious.

The schedule still looks to require 8x aircraft on certain days, but with some re-jigging it could easily be done with at least one fewer aircraft in the based fleet. Anybody aware of anything?

flyerguy 6th May 2020 11:56


Originally Posted by FRatSTN (Post 10774064)
I know it's early days and still alot can change, but, does anybody know if EZY is looking to reduce the Liverpool base for S21?

It's just that the initial release up to May 4th next year shows a number of reduced frequencies on several routes, notably BCN (12 to 8x pw), CDG (daily to 5x pw) and GVA (5 to 3x pw) amongst others, as well as what looks to be the ending of services to SXF/BER, NAP and PMO.

No other base in the UK seems to have these kinds of reductions, mirroring almost exactly what's in the current schedule end of May/early June this year; So all the more curious.

The schedule still looks to require 8x aircraft on certain days, but with some re-jigging it could easily be done with at least one fewer aircraft in the based fleet. Anybody aware of anything?

I think possibly EZY have extended routes out of manchester including CDG, BCN and GVA which are all performing well out of Manchester - under normal circumstances. So they may just be rejigging a few frequencies between LPL and MAN. We have seen EZY add routes to Liverpool though, so maybe a few more bucket and spade routes might fill the gap.

BACsuperVC10 6th May 2020 19:41

I think the LPL- BFS route may have increased have seen up to 8 a day.

AndrewH52 6th May 2020 19:55

CDG was only 5pwk peak summer 2019. BCN was 11 and GVA 7 so some reductions but to be honest surely to be expected.

BACsuperVC10 7th May 2020 07:21


Originally Posted by FRatSTN (Post 10774064)
I know it's early days and still alot can change, but, does anybody know if EZY is looking to reduce the Liverpool base for S21?

It's just that the initial release up to May 4th next year shows a number of reduced frequencies on several routes, notably BCN (12 to 8x pw), CDG (daily to 5x pw) and GVA (5 to 3x pw) amongst others, as well as what looks to be the ending of services to SXF/BER, NAP and PMO.

No other base in the UK seems to have these kinds of reductions, mirroring almost exactly what's in the current schedule end of May/early June this year; So all the more curious.

The schedule still looks to require 8x aircraft on certain days, but with some re-jigging it could easily be done with at least one fewer aircraft in the based fleet. Anybody aware of anything?

If there is space available with the aircraft, It wouldn't surprise me is they add a new destination.

BACsuperVC10 16th May 2020 08:20

Wizz Air are now operating to Budapest W6 221 at 21.40 departing tonight.

BACsuperVC10 19th May 2020 15:52


Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10 (Post 10783929)
Wizz Air are now operating to Budapest W6 221 at 21.40 departing tonight.

Operating again tonight at 21.55 W6 2211

BACsuperVC10 21st May 2020 15:46

Easyjet
 
Easyjet are starting up again with Liverpool to Isle of Man and to Belfast as of 16 June 20.

BACsuperVC10 4th Jun 2020 13:48

Wizz Air
 
Liverpool to Varna restarts this evening. Budapest has been running for a few weeks now.

BACsuperVC10 16th Jun 2020 14:31

29 Oct, new route from Wizz , Liverpool to Bacau.

SeanM1997 16th Jun 2020 15:49

Wizz to cut its Cluj - Liverpool route from 27 June 2020

BACsuperVC10 16th Jun 2020 19:24

Wizz
 
Restarts from Wizz are : This Thurs 18th Bucharest and Warsaw , Iasi on Saturday 20th and Katowice 4 Ju!y.

FRatSTN 1st Jul 2020 17:28

EasyJet
 
Been an unconfirmed report of potentially 90 cabin crew jobs at risk for Liverpool. Without wanting to start too much speculation, that would result in the loss of about 3 based aircraft. Hopefully not the case for the sake of those staff.

davidjohnson6 1st Jul 2020 22:14

Flyerguy - that really should not be in a public forum

LTNman 1st Jul 2020 22:21

Don’t know why not, the staff clearly know and Easyjet have already announced 5,000 job loses so it isn’t a secret.

flyerguy 2nd Jul 2020 00:31


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10826794)
Flyerguy - that really should not be in a public forum

And a public forum is exactly where it’s from

scodaman 2nd Jul 2020 08:21

Ryanair Liverpool to City of Derry LDY restarting this Saturday 04 July.

Flights twice a week on Saturday and Tuesday.

BACsuperVC10 2nd Jul 2020 08:58

Ryanair Liverpool - Dublin also restarted yesterday.

BACsuperVC10 2nd Jul 2020 09:03

Has been some speculation about job losses, however its unlikely that anywhere will pass unscathed during this period. Nothing confirmed regarding aircraft reduction, best to wait and see, rather than speculate.

BACsuperVC10 17th Jul 2020 19:12

Blue Air is now fly Liverpool - Bucharest route again. A service is due in late tonight.

BACsuperVC10 7th Aug 2020 05:31

Easyjet
 
New route, Liverpool - Antalya began yesterday.

BACsuperVC10 8th Aug 2020 12:05

Easyjet
 
Liverpool - IOM on Easyjet appears to be returning next month, also Belfast is increasing this month up to 4 per day.


BACsuperVC10 19th Aug 2020 11:56

Wizz Air
 
NEW ROUTE : Liverpool to Vilnius with Wizz starting 22 Oct. Twice weekly.

BACsuperVC10 5th Sep 2020 07:30

Wizz Air
 
The Liverpool to Iasi is bookable through to 26 March 2021, some speculation on Twitter that this route was not operating through the winter. It is twice a week. Recently announced Ryanair route to
Kosice twice weekly from 25 Oct 2020 also.

SeanM1997 8th Sep 2020 10:40

Wizz Air starting Liverpool to Chisinau from 22 October 2020 with 2x weekly flights

Wizz Air resuming Liverpool to Cluj from 23 October 2020 with 2x weekly flights

flyerguy 8th Sep 2020 12:09

Wizz seem to have their foot firmly on the ground in Liverpool could we possibly see WizzUk launch 1/2 based aircraft here?

I know Blue Air tried ALC/AGP and a few others out of here, but maybe wizz could give give a few routes a go with their expanding U.K. bases

BACsuperVC10 9th Sep 2020 05:35


Originally Posted by flyerguy (Post 10880740)
Wizz seem to have their foot firmly on the ground in Liverpool could we possibly see WizzUk launch 1/2 based aircraft here?

I know Blue Air tried ALC/AGP and a few others out of here, but maybe wizz could give give a few routes a go with their expanding U.K. bases

I see know reason why not and do a similar set up at LPL as they have at DSA

SeanM1997 9th Sep 2020 06:37


Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10 (Post 10881239)
I see know reason why not and do a similar set up at LPL as they have at DSA

Although I would love to see Liverpool become a Wizz Air UK base, I think it is unlikely for the foreseeable (opinion only).

London works due to its enormous catchment, Wizz wanting to prove dominance in the large markets (hence bases in Milan and London) and to take on easyJet. Theres also a political point for Wizz at Gatwick - and wanting to prove a point about slots more than being profitable in a market (which they may do at LGW).

Why Doncaster works is there is a lack of competition at the airport. Whilst TUI operate 8 routes which Wizz will operate, they don't rival in product. Whilst they may fly to the same destinations, TUI is for package holidays - normally people who book a year in advance to go away. Wizz are a much more spontaneous buy for the consumer, with shorter booking time and lower prices - aiming at discount savvy travellers whom are happy to put a holiday together and not need every product that TUI offers - ie luggage, hold luggage or sitting together.

Liverpool faces competition from two low-cost carriers - easyJet and Ryanair. Whilst all their offering is different, many routes which Wizz would wish to operate from Liverpool would have competition from either or both these airlines. This competition, targeting similar consumers, leads to lower prices (if not loss making prices) and an unsustainable base. It also leads to some routes being overserved by 2-3 carriers whilst many potentially popular routes are less unserved.

Wizz would probably be best growing Liverpool with away based aircraft. Most routes at LPL don't have a frequency exceeding 2-3 weekly flights, so demand needs to grow on routes to show there is potential for a base.

I wouldn't rule it out but a Wizz Air base may not be best for Liverpool right now - but in the future, there is a real opportunity.

BACsuperVC10 9th Sep 2020 09:09


Originally Posted by SeanM1997 (Post 10881256)
Although I would love to see Liverpool become a Wizz Air UK base, I think it is unlikely for the foreseeable (opinion only).

London works due to its enormous catchment, Wizz wanting to prove dominance in the large markets (hence bases in Milan and London) and to take on easyJet. Theres also a political point for Wizz at Gatwick - and wanting to prove a point about slots more than being profitable in a market (which they may do at LGW).

Why Doncaster works is there is a lack of competition at the airport. Whilst TUI operate 8 routes which Wizz will operate, they don't rival in product. Whilst they may fly to the same destinations, TUI is for package holidays - normally people who book a year in advance to go away. Wizz are a much more spontaneous buy for the consumer, with shorter booking time and lower prices - aiming at discount savvy travellers whom are happy to put a holiday together and not need every product that TUI offers - ie luggage, hold luggage or sitting together.

Liverpool faces competition from two low-cost carriers - easyJet and Ryanair. Whilst all their offering is different, many routes which Wizz would wish to operate from Liverpool would have competition from either or both these airlines. This competition, targeting similar consumers, leads to lower prices (if not loss making prices) and an unsustainable base. It also leads to some routes being overserved by 2-3 carriers whilst many potentially popular routes are less unserved.

Wizz would probably be best growing Liverpool with away based aircraft. Most routes at LPL don't have a frequency exceeding 2-3 weekly flights, so demand needs to grow on routes to show there is potential for a base.

I wouldn't rule it out but a Wizz Air base may not be best for Liverpool right now - but in the future, there is a real opportunity.

I think Wizz needs to be a bit savy as to destination picks, there are opportunities beyond their Eastern European selection which are unserved from LPL or under capacity this is because both Easyjet and Ryanair have not done much about it or even moved the route. These could include destinations like Lisbon and Berlin (longstanding successful routes Easyet have or willl drop or move to MAN )
There are some gaps in Italian destinations too. In a normal year the popular Med routes like Palma Malaga, Alicante etc are daily or more from both FR and EZY so the sun routes are popular too . However these are strange times, so have to wait and see !

BACsuperVC10 9th Sep 2020 09:24


Originally Posted by flyerguy (Post 10880740)
Wizz seem to have their foot firmly on the ground in Liverpool could we possibly see WizzUk launch 1/2 based aircraft here?

I know Blue Air tried ALC/AGP and a few others out of here, but maybe wizz could give give a few routes a go with their expanding U.K. bases

I think Blue Air's problem was they were unknown beyond their normal client base. A friend of mine booked a ticket to Alicante with them, he said he saw it on the Internet and thought it was a hoax and was unsure to book it. He did and said they were v good compared to the normal offering.

All names taken 11th Sep 2020 07:52

My fairly limited useage to Wizz flights leads me to conclude that they are a downmarket version of Ryanair. I have particular concerns about the training and professionalism of the CC, Drunkeness and bawdiness were a concern for me and my travelling companions. Probably ok for stag and hen doooz at the lowest possible price... but even those days are over for now.


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