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wesleyscott 1st Apr 2020 13:48

just on Sky News just now:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ilout-11966892

Flightmech 1st Apr 2020 14:18


Originally Posted by Altostratus (Post 10732049)
All the money is in Necter Island

"Necker" Island......

MCDU2 1st Apr 2020 23:33


In one letter, John Harrison, general counsel and UK chairman of Airbus, warned that Virgin Atlantic's "collapse could have an extremely negative impact on the A330 [aircraft manufacturing] programme".
They only have 14 of them. Kind of stretching the truth somewhat ain't they?

Tom Sawyer 2nd Apr 2020 03:12


Originally Posted by MCDU2 (Post 10736215)
They only have 14 of them. Kind of stretching the truth somewhat ain't they?

They've got NEO's on order......https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/pres...expansion.html

spacedog 2nd Apr 2020 07:20


Originally Posted by MCDU2 (Post 10736215)
They only have 14 of them. Kind of stretching the truth somewhat ain't they?

i think there are far more airlines out there with outstanding orders for A330s. If Virgin are such an important customer to either Airbus or Rolls then I think they should be helping Virgin stay afloat not the UK gov and ultimately the tax payer. If I was airbus I would be far more worried about the number of orders which are likely to be cancelled as airlines try to preserve cash and aim to return to profitability.

PAXboy 2nd Apr 2020 22:56

Every company is pullin gevery 'string' they can lay their hands on. The job of the senior mgmt is to keep the company going. Given that no one has experience of this situation, they will keep trying every possible option.

No criticism as they are doing their job. They have a door opened or not - but they have to ring those bells.


116d 3rd Apr 2020 09:01


Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer (Post 10736352)

Plus 8 A350-1000's due over the next 18 months, some of which intended to replace the 747's.

116d 3rd Apr 2020 09:02


Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 10736505)
i think there are far more airlines out there with outstanding orders for A330s. If Virgin are such an important customer to either Airbus or Rolls then I think they should be helping Virgin stay afloat not the UK gov and ultimately the tax payer. If I was airbus I would be far more worried about the number of orders which are likely to be cancelled as airlines try to preserve cash and aim to return to profitability.

Didn't Boeing come to the aid of Monarch in 2016 when they had the MAX's on order?

Whilst they've not ordered as many aircraft as some other airlines, it's fair to say that VS have been good customers of both Airbus and Rolls-Royce over the last 30 years. Apart from the A340-300's and 747-400's, all the other new widebody aircraft VS have bought have been fitted with RR engines.

You make a good point about Airbus needing to be worried about likely deferrals/cancellations. That's why it's not in their interests to see VS fail as they would then have 22 widebody aircraft becoming white tails or never built. Same for any other airline for that matter.

116d 3rd Apr 2020 09:06


Originally Posted by PAXboy (Post 10737469)
Every company is pullin gevery 'string' they can lay their hands on. The job of the senior mgmt is to keep the company going. Given that no one has experience of this situation, they will keep trying every possible option.

No criticism as they are doing their job. They have a door opened or not - but they have to ring those bells.

And if two of your major suppliers and an airport where most of your operations are prepared to show their support and apply pressure, you would be silly not to leverage it.

I also like to think we're behind the days when Laker were finally forced out of business due to McDonnell-Douglas and GE withdrawing their rescue package because other airlines threatened to never buy their products again if they went through with it.

Groundloop 3rd Apr 2020 10:01


Originally Posted by 116d (Post 10737879)
And if two of your major suppliers and an airport where most of your operations are prepared to show their support and apply pressure, you would be silly not to leverage it.

I also like to think we're behind the days when Laker were finally forced out of business due to McDonnell-Douglas and GE withdrawing their rescue package because other airlines threatened to never buy their products again if they went through with it.

You are being a bit simplistic there. The McDonnell Douglas rescue plan for Laker was that McD would become a part-owner of Laker. The other airlines then said, if McD owned Laker, they could no longer discuss confidential business with them as McD would also be a competitor.

JSCL 3rd Apr 2020 19:03

Airbus has donated 400k facemasks to the NHS and offered up free flights to bring in other goods needed.

Talk about lobbying...?

SWBKCB 3rd Apr 2020 19:25


Originally Posted by JSCL (Post 10738583)
Airbus has donated 400k facemasks to the NHS and offered up free flights to bring in other goods needed.

Talk about lobbying...?

They've done the same for other nations with key production facilities.

lfc84 4th Apr 2020 21:32


Originally Posted by JSCL (Post 10738583)
Airbus has donated 400k facemasks to the NHS and offered up free flights to bring in other goods needed.

Talk about lobbying...?

Whats the alternative ?

Rutan16 5th Apr 2020 07:05

Hardly lobbying Airbus were asked by the EU it they would collect vital medical supplies and of cause they said yes on humanitarian grounds .

Even little Eire are taking part in the airlift - been sending 3 A330s to and from Beijing for several days collecting supplies !

By the way our pathetic government initially turned down an EU invitation to receive some of this gift aid - Pratt’s

SealinkBF 8th Apr 2020 13:58

Those three flights are going freight only for from 21st April for a minimum of 6 days...

Buster the Bear 9th Apr 2020 12:04

By the way our pathetic government initially turned down an EU invitation to receive some of this gift aid - Pratt’s

When did we re-join the EU? Have I missed something?

SealinkBF 9th Apr 2020 12:17


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 10744764)
By the way our pathetic government initially turned down an EU invitation to receive some of this gift aid - Pratt’s

When did we re-join the EU? Have I missed something?

Yeah. Google it.

AirportPlanner1 9th Apr 2020 12:24


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 10744764)
By the way our pathetic government initially turned down an EU invitation to receive some of this gift aid - Pratt’s

When did we re-join the EU? Have I missed something?

Clearly, yes. Other non-EU nations participated. If you don’t want supply of equipment up to and including ventilators purely ideologically because it’s an EU scheme may I respectfully suggest should you fall ill you decline treatment until such time as everyone else has been treated.

bcn_boy 9th Apr 2020 13:36


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10744781)
Clearly, yes. Other non-EU nations participated. If you don’t want supply of equipment up to and including ventilators purely ideologically because it’s an EU scheme may I respectfully suggest should you fall ill you decline treatment until such time as everyone else has been treated.

spot on! I wonder if Boris did the same...

Rutan16 9th Apr 2020 15:12

In the current transition period the UK remains entitled to All the benefits and financial obligations of EU membership however has surrendered any political and indeed democratic accountability,


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