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inOban 15th Mar 2020 11:04


Originally Posted by RudderTrimZero (Post 10714592)
You want capacity, put more trains on those tracks, there's plenty of room! Some people will believe anything.

Nonsense. There isn't room, given the mixture of local, freight, and express trains.

TartinTon 15th Mar 2020 11:16


Originally Posted by gnarlberg (Post 10714651)
then everybody would sell stocks very quick and stocks would be in a freefall

Like they are at the moment?

ElBogster 15th Mar 2020 12:04


Originally Posted by RudderTrimZero (Post 10714592)
You want capacity, put more trains on those tracks, there's plenty of room! Some people will believe anything.

You’ve obviously never been on the West Coast line - standing room only and it has to support local services. You would have to be a magician to put more trains on those tracks 😂

As another poster has mentioned it’s the same companies that are now asking for support that were screaming when it looked like Flybe would get support apart from SRB who again was looking for free money from the Government.

Guest 112233 15th Mar 2020 12:25

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Originally Posted by ElBogster (Post 10714763)
You’ve obviously never been on the West Coast line - standing room only and it has to support local services. You would have to be a magician to put more trains on those tracks 😂

As another poster has mentioned it’s the same companies that are now asking for support that were screaming when it looked like Flybe would get support apart from SRB who again was looking for free money from the Government.

How much of this potential support will go straight onto the pockets of the Lease Companies who actually own a substantial proportion of the Airlines fleet's (Not just Virgin of course) .

CAT III

Barling Magna 15th Mar 2020 12:39


Originally Posted by RudderTrimZero (Post 10714592)
You want capacity, put more trains on those tracks, there's plenty of room! Some people will believe anything.

Wow! The lack of awareness of that remark is amazing....

HZ123 15th Mar 2020 12:53

A number of keen observations made. I had served for 43 years in the aviation industry and wish serving colleagues the very best in this dire situation. However, I am opposed to to government bail outs! In particular as at this time and for the immediate future we do not know what we are going to be bailing out, I would rather see the monies helping those that will inevitably lose their jobs in general not just in aviation. The fiscal global market is on the brink for the majority of us!

Dannyboy39 15th Mar 2020 12:55

... normally I'd agree with you, but I'm sure in your 43 year career, you've not seen anything as chaotic and desperate as this. And that includes 9/11.

SealinkBF 15th Mar 2020 14:22

Given the ability of airlines like Delta, AA and BA to survive previous events, government loans should be available.

But going back to say, Flybe, it seems clear that the £100m the allegedly requested wouldn't have saved them anyway given developments.

SealinkBF 15th Mar 2020 14:22


Originally Posted by Barling Magna (Post 10714799)
Wow! The lack of awareness of that remark is amazing....

Indeed. HS2 is about capacity not speed.

zfw 15th Mar 2020 14:26


Originally Posted by rog747 (Post 10714542)
VS still have 7 x 747-400's (AFAIK they are owned) on their books - As you say not sure if all 7 though are in full service.

7 x 450 seat units are quite a large chunk of one's fleet.
They have paid for themselves many times over as people movers - same as BA's.

VS use them to MCO (Disney, and now all the USA is closed) and the Caribbean (many islands are now shutting doors)

Came back from BGI this morning on the Millenium Falcon aka GVLIP and they had managed to squeeze in 468 of us according the crew, not a seat left in the house.

zfw 15th Mar 2020 14:43

And it looks like they may have made their mind up concerning the next few weeks, bang goes my early May Florida trip.

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For customers that have a ticket originally issued on or before 11 March 2020 for original dates of travel up to and including 31 May 2020.

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crewmeal 15th Mar 2020 19:54

I guess Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway flight to Florida is now cancelled?

fjencl 15th Mar 2020 20:26


Originally Posted by crewmeal (Post 10715213)
I guess Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway flight to Florida is now cancelled?


Yes that's correct

ROC10 15th Mar 2020 20:44


Originally Posted by crewmeal (Post 10715213)
I guess Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway flight to Florida is now cancelled?

Wouldn't say cancelled. It is of course not running as planned but people have been promised the flight will go ahead at a "later date" (that is, if Virgin survives of course).

Fairdealfrank 16th Mar 2020 03:16


So good time to scrap HS2 project and redirect cash into the aviation industry! More important than knocking 20 mins off a London Birmingham train ride?
Excellent idea, direct it into the aviation and into research and development for electric aircraft and alternative fuels. Do that and there will still be billions left for other uses.

4-tracking Milton Keynes-Rugby and Rugby-Birmingham would knock the 20 minutes off the journey time at a fraction of the costs.



Indeed. HS2 is about capacity not speed.
Really? then why is it designed for 250 mi./hour trains, much faster than the 180 mi./hour trains on high speed rail in the rest of Europe?
Also, the faster the trains, the lower the frequency.

ETOPS 16th Mar 2020 07:21


Really?
Yes - the capacity increase is on the WCML following removal of the high speed services when HS2 opens. At the moment the mix of speeds on WCML is the limiting factor for paths as all slower traffic has to sidestep into loops as the much faster Pendelino traffic is given a clear run.
When those units are withdrawn the remaining regional, local and freight trains will be able to be rebalanced with a new timetable giving the capacity increase mentioned.
I'm pretty certain that many travellers are still not aware that their high speed trains to Euston will be withdrawn at some stage......

ElBogster 16th Mar 2020 07:47


Originally Posted by Fairdealfrank (Post 10715526)

Really? then why is it designed for 250 mi./hour trains, much faster than the 180 mi./hour trains on high speed rail in the rest of Europe?
Also, the faster the trains, the lower the frequency.

May as well make it faster as you’re only going to build it once and we want to be better than Europe🤣

So us pro HS2’ers have won the argument so back onto what the forum is about VA


davidjohnson6 16th Mar 2020 12:52

Independent reports 75% of fleet to be grounded by end of March, rising to 85 % in April

Flying Wild 16th Mar 2020 12:55


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10715999)
Independent reports 75% of fleet to be grounded by end of March, rising to 85 % in April

Virgin will fly 11/46 aircraft from Wednesday and 6/46 from March 26th

Skipness One Foxtrot 16th Mar 2020 14:27

Newark being dropped permanently it seems. It’s where it all began but with Delta at JFK, there’s just no love there.


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