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kcockayne 8th Mar 2020 13:47


Originally Posted by Garstag (Post 10706573)
Easyjet doesn’t fly between Manchester and Jersey, I flew frequently from Manchester to Jersey (Flybe) and Guernsey (Aurigny)

Garstag, they certainly do - which is why I put my post in to reply to your earlier comment. They have been operating the route since last year; & ever since they started, I have been waiting for BEE to pull off the route. Now, they have !

bean 8th Mar 2020 14:50

Gloating over the demise of Flybe is highly inappropriate not to mention tactless
But you've wantef thay to happen for a long time have'nt you

kcockayne 8th Mar 2020 17:05

What on earth makes you say that ? I bare ,nor have I ever done, no I’ll will towards BEE whatsoever. I merely commented on the fact that EZY moving in on the Manchester - Jersey route made me expect that BEE would not be able to compete; & that I would have expected them to have to abandon it , that’s all. Now they have; & not necessarily because they could not compete with EZY. I have professional & personal relationships with BEE that go right back to the days of Intra Airways. I have never had any issues with them whatsoever. I simply comment on situations as I see them. I am in no way gloating over the situation. I am deeply saddened that you have taken such comments to indicate that I bore them any kind of malice. Please enlighten me as to where you get your inspiration for your comment.

Cloud1 8th Mar 2020 22:43


Originally Posted by kcockayne (Post 10706914)
What on earth makes you say that ? I bare ,nor have I ever done, no I’ll will towards BEE whatsoever. I merely commented on the fact that EZY moving in on the Manchester - Jersey route made me expect that BEE would not be able to compete; & that I would have expected them to have to abandon it , that’s all. Now they have; & not necessarily because they could not compete with EZY. I have professional & personal relationships with BEE that go right back to the days of Intra Airways. I have never had any issues with them whatsoever. I simply comment on situations as I see them. I am in no way gloating over the situation. I am deeply saddened that you have taken such comments to indicate that I bore them any kind of malice. Please enlighten me as to where you get your inspiration for your comment.

To be fair, I also read your comment as distasteful whether you meant it that way or not.

“ I have been waiting for BEE to pull off the route. Now, they have ! “

Not that you need me to clarify but BE didn’t pull
off the route, they went out of business. Two very different things. Pulling off a route is a voluntary decision, closing the business down wasn’t.

kcockayne 9th Mar 2020 00:05


Originally Posted by Cloud1 (Post 10707198)
To be fair, I also read your comment as distasteful whether you meant it that way or not.

“ I have been waiting for BEE to pull off the route. Now, they have ! “

Not that you need me to clarify but BE didn’t pull
off the route, they went out of business. Two very different things. Pulling off a route is a voluntary decision, closing the business down wasn’t.

Well, this is a lesson to me in how someone can find offence in something that was meant without any intention of causing offence. All that I was trying to say was that I was expecting BEE to find the competition from EZY on the Manchester route to be too strong to withstand. The other comment about BEE pulling off the route was meant to acknowledge the irony that they had now done this- but involuntarily. There was never any intention to appear to be gloating over what has happened, or of wanting it to happen. The whole commentary was meant to convey to garstag that there was little prospect of BCI operating the same route in competition with an airline of EZY’s strength. And that alone. If I have caused offence, I apologize for having posted something that could be taken that way. I repeat, that was never the intention. However, this episode has illustrated to me that one’s best intentions can be misconstrued quite easily, perhaps the more so if someone is of a mindset to identify another person’s comments as worthy of an interpretation that was never intended ; or even thought of as likely to be understood in that manner.

Cloud1 9th Mar 2020 08:38


Originally Posted by kcockayne (Post 10707269)
Well, this is a lesson to me in how someone can find offence in something that was meant without any intention of causing offence. All that I was trying to say was that I was expecting BEE to find the competition from EZY on the Manchester route to be too strong to withstand. The other comment about BEE pulling off the route was meant to acknowledge the irony that they had now done this- but involuntarily. There was never any intention to appear to be gloating over what has happened, or of wanting it to happen. The whole commentary was meant to convey to garstag that there was little prospect of BCI operating the same route in competition with an airline of EZY’s strength. And that alone. If I have caused offence, I apologize for having posted something that could be taken that way. I repeat, that was never the intention. However, this episode has illustrated to me that one’s best intentions can be misconstrued quite easily, perhaps the more so if someone is of a mindset to identify another person’s comments as worthy of an interpretation that was never intended ; or even thought of as likely to be understood in that manner.

I’m not easily offended I just found it distasteful - there’s a difference. However your explanation I am sure will be appreciated

Gurnard 10th Mar 2020 11:26


Originally Posted by kcockayne (Post 10707269)
Well, this is a lesson to me in how someone can find offence in something that was meant without any intention of causing offence. All that I was trying to say was that I was expecting BEE to find the competition from EZY on the Manchester route to be too strong to withstand. The other comment about BEE pulling off the route was meant to acknowledge the irony that they had now done this- but involuntarily. There was never any intention to appear to be gloating over what has happened, or of wanting it to happen. The whole commentary was meant to convey to garstag that there was little prospect of BCI operating the same route in competition with an airline of EZY’s strength. And that alone. If I have caused offence, I apologize for having posted something that could be taken that way. I repeat, that was never the intention. However, this episode has illustrated to me that one’s best intentions can be misconstrued quite easily, perhaps the more so if someone is of a mindset to identify another person’s comments as worthy of an interpretation that was never intended ; or even thought of as likely to be understood in that manner.

The problem we all face is that typed comments are simply read by others rather than heard in a particular tone of voice. The same comment heard vocally would indicate the inner feelings of the person who had made it. When I read the comment some have taken exception to, I did not detect any gloating over the demise of Flybe but rather irony. The comment had nothing to do with Flybe employees who had been made redundant overnight.
Regular readers of this forum soon form an idea of the posters and can detect trolls and those out to gloat. The comments of kcockayne fall into neither of these categories. While care is needed in posting comments, it is impossible in debates of this kind to completely avoid being misunderstood. Our interpretations can be very subjective. The fact that an apology was quickly offered proves the genuineness of the poster. (Trolls never apologize.) Surely most of us are genuinely sorry for those working at the coal-face who have been badly let down by their employers. We wish Blue Islands and other carriers every success and hope those out of work through the Flybe calamity will soon fare rather better.

GROUNDHOG 10th Mar 2020 15:39

Everything I would have written myself Gurnard! Well said.

BACsuperVC10 10th Mar 2020 15:53


Originally Posted by Garstag (Post 10706395)
The problem with Jersey - Manchester is currently EasyJet offers such cheap fares between Liverpool and Jersey it would be difficult to compete.

Liverpool is an easier airport to use anyway, you would be off the plane and out the door and still taxing at Manchester.

kcockayne 10th Mar 2020 18:23


Originally Posted by Gurnard (Post 10708705)
The problem we all face is that typed comments are simply read by others rather than heard in a particular tone of voice. The same comment heard vocally would indicate the inner feelings of the person who had made it. When I read the comment some have taken exception to, I did not detect any gloating over the demise of Flybe but rather irony. The comment had nothing to do with Flybe employees who had been made redundant overnight.
Regular readers of this forum soon form an idea of the posters and can detect trolls and those out to gloat. The comments of kcockayne fall into neither of these categories. While care is needed in posting comments, it is impossible in debates of this kind to completely avoid being misunderstood. Our interpretations can be very subjective. The fact that an apology was quickly offered proves the genuineness of the poster. (Trolls never apologize.) Surely most of us are genuinely sorry for those working at the coal-face who have been badly let down by their employers. We wish Blue Islands and other carriers every success and hope those out of work through the Flybe calamity will soon fare rather better.

Thank you for your comments, Gurnard, they are greatly appreciated. I can tell you that I was devastated that someone had put the connotation which they had on my original comments. That was why I apologized - I had no wish or intention to upset anyone. I am a genuine contributor with a lifetime of professional & personal interest in aviation , hopefully, my comments are taken as they are intended. It is good to discover that you & others accept my sincerity & best intentions. I only hope that any others can accept my genuineness. Thank you again.

Gurnard 10th Mar 2020 19:17

You're most welcome. I can see that your past contributions have been thoughtful as well as informative. Reading some folk's comments, it is evident that they rush into things and express themselves carelessly without reading what they have written. If we were to pick them up on their unpunctuated comments and misspelt words, they would probably take great exception! Let's keep up the helpful dialogue. Those with a professional and personal interest in aviation matters stand out from the folk on the other side who struggle to offer anything really worthwhile.

Cloud1 11th Mar 2020 06:19


Originally Posted by Gurnard (Post 10709211)
You're most welcome. I can see that your past contributions have been thoughtful as well as informative. Reading some folk's comments, it is evident that they rush into things and express themselves carelessly without reading what they have written. If we were to pick them up on their unpunctuated comments and misspelt words, they would probably take great exception! Let's keep up the helpful dialogue. Those with a professional and personal interest in aviation matters stand out from the folk on the other side who struggle to offer anything really worthwhile.

Ladies and or gents, please. Each and everyone is entitled to an opinion. Just because you both share yours does not make anyone else wrong so time to cut the attitude. Let’s move on to something related to the airline in the title of the thread shall we?

aurigny72 12th Mar 2020 16:30

Blue Islands to start Exeter-Manchester in mid April, multiple flights daily.

OzzyOzBorn 12th Mar 2020 17:01

Would that be a through-service to the Channel Islands as well?

aurigny72 12th Mar 2020 17:57


Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn (Post 10711517)
Would that be a through-service to the Channel Islands as well?

Not sure but they will be operating to Jersey from Exeter, they are also setting up a base at Exeter with full maintenance facilities for their ATR fleet.

kcockayne 12th Mar 2020 19:12


Originally Posted by aurigny72 (Post 10711566)
Not sure but they will be operating to Jersey from Exeter, they are also setting up a base at Exeter with full maintenance facilities for their ATR fleet.

Could be the making of BCI - if they get it right. Or, it could make things even worse for them. Time will tell.

AirportPlanner1 12th Mar 2020 22:21


Originally Posted by kcockayne (Post 10711634)
Could be the making of BCI - if they get it right. Or, it could make things even worse for them. Time will tell.

Newquay to London would surely suit them, especially if the PSO gets retendered. They could be Air Southwest Mk II

Wycombe 12th Mar 2020 22:42


Could be the making of BCI - if they get it right.

Newquay to London would surely suit them
BCI only have 5 aircraft, and I suspect with the recent/rapid expansion they may be quite busy! (for what is still the Winter season)

PSO funding may enable them to expand, but I suspect an ATR might not be welcome at LHR?

AirportPlanner1 13th Mar 2020 07:22


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 10711870)
BCI only have 5 aircraft, and I suspect with the recent/rapid expansion they may be quite busy! (for what is still the Winter season)

PSO funding may enable them to expand, but I suspect an ATR might not be welcome at LHR?

No but other London airports are available including LGW where it was moving to anyway and which seems to be the local preference. And LCY for that matter, the Dundee PSO has got in there.

JobsaGoodun 13th Mar 2020 07:58

I guess the only issue is that the PSO doesn’t come with slots, the operator needs to source them.

That might be possible in the short term at LGW as I expect the reduction in flying may mean airlines would be happy to find a home for these given the COVID issues.


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