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yeo valley 7th Jul 2020 04:20

Blue islands flew the BRS route in their own right for many years. They then went into a franchise agreement with Flybe till Flybe ceased. The BRS route flight numbers went back to Blue islands flying the route till this covid 19 kicked in in a big way. Blue Islands are due to start the BRS route i think in august but not sure on that one.The BRS route has been flown all year round so i would imagine that will happen again when they restart.

yeo valley 7th Jul 2020 04:30

Blue islands did a daily rotation into CWL under the Flybe franchise but not under Blue islands. Some CWL followers are saying blue islands will operate into CWL under their own right. I have seen nothing to confirm this, i can only think the spotters are being wishfull yhinking with this as it being run ubder Flybe franchise and think it will continue under Blue islands flight numbers.Time will tell if it will run or some body has seen it some where to say it will run.

Flitefone 7th Jul 2020 08:17

4 months on It seems I was rather too optimistIc
 

Originally Posted by Flitefone (Post 10712459)
It’s easy to be distracted by the fall out from the unfortunate demise of Flybe and the subsequent scramble to back fill routes. But the reality of the present crisis is much more profound for aviation and - in context of the Southampton area - for the Cruise Industry too.

Among the many announcements over the past ten days was the statement by the Delta Airlines CEO in which he said that demand is not expected to return for 18 months. Of course, none of us know, but we do have some precedent with both the global financial crisis of 2008/9 and 9/11. 18 months from now is the beginning to the winter schedule 21/22, so the reality is more likely to be a return to normality for the summer 2022 season. In the meantime, buckle up.

For the south coast, BOH in 2019 had recovered only about 80% of its previous peak passenger throughput which was in 2007! Meanwhile SOU, until fairly recently, doing better, had peaked a year or two prior to 2019. So what is a likely outcome?

For the UK as a whole, a reasonable estimate of the impact in 2020, is a 25% annual fall in passenger numbers for 2020, 20m wiped from LHR, 11m from Gatwick and so on. On current indications, it is also likely that more airlines will go under. In simple terms, those with cash in the bank and relatively manageable debt will probably come out of this stronger. That means IAG and Ryanair, perhaps even easyJet, but the latter has picked a very bad year to launch its inclusive holiday business.

In the meantime, all airlines (and airports) are in a cash preserving mode, cutting costs wherever they can. Staff will go, projects will be deferred or cancelled, at least until there is more clarity about revenue normalising again. The airport owners - usually Pension Funds and Infrastructure investors - look for consistent returns, when revenue falls, that means cost cutting.

Pressure on London runway slots and airspace will ease, the need for airlines to move into the UK regions to deliver growth has probably moved right by 3 years, and for easyjet the recently acquired Thomas Cook slots at LGW and BRS are in its back pocket for growth when it does return.

So where does that leave SOU expansion plans?

In my view there is no doubt that planning permission for the runway extension is much more likely to get the green light now, planners will need to be seen to support economic growth, there will be environmental requirements, but it will be approved. But, the airport owners are much less likely to be ready to spend the money on development. Why? Because the value of the (all) airports, has just taken a big hit, money will be spent only when there is a reasonable basis that it will deliver a return through increased traffic, or the value of the airport.

So, for the next 2-3 years staying in business will be the key objective for all airports, especially the regions.

FF

My views have changed since mid march when I posted this - make that 3-5 years and 5-8 for some!

Q4 this year is likely to be ugly.

FF

BA318 7th Jul 2020 16:37


judging by that video, a new or special livery is due out tomorrow.

virginblue 7th Jul 2020 17:46

Are they allowed to fly around with a franchised branding if the franchisor is insolvent? I assume they will have to pay the administrators to some extent? I remember that elsewhere airlines using a franchised brand hastily removed as much as possible of the livery .

KindaUnstuck 7th Jul 2020 17:58

The colours in the Blue Islands logo changed fairly recently, suspect it will be navy blue and white, along the lines of Lufthansa with mainly white fuselage - can't see it being that revolutionary, especially if the branding has been done by someone in the Healthspan Marketing Team, like the last one supposedly was.

Jerbourg 7th Jul 2020 18:49

The website is currently showing a new Blue Islands 'logo'.
The Welcome Difference tagline has been rolled out again - I wonder what difference they plan to introduce this time around?

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2f0405aa74.png

JSCL 7th Jul 2020 19:10

As an aside, any business which shuts its' website to launch a revamp during the day is idiotic. Have to wonder about their commercial acumen. They either launch it in parallel or flip it in the unearthly hours. Not during the soaps when Joan wants to book some flights on Jeff's credit card.

davidjohnson6 7th Jul 2020 19:49

This is a small airline with 5 puddle jumpers, not Easyjet or BA. Resources are likely to be very limited.
The person(s) doing the switchover likely works on a UK bodyclock. If the changeover takes maybe an hour or two, then best to let them do it when everyone is reasonably alert, instead of at 3 am, and other people are available to confirm all is ok or make a decision to roll back the changes
That said, 8 am on Sunday morning is maybe a better idea...

Jerbourg 7th Jul 2020 19:56

Self handling at GCI has been closed down & handling for SOU & JER is going back to Aurigny I hear, can anyone confirm or is this rumour?

Flightrider 7th Jul 2020 20:01


As an aside, any business which shuts its' website to launch a revamp during the day is idiotic. Have to wonder about their commercial acumen. They either launch it in parallel or flip it in the unearthly hours. Not during the soaps when Joan wants to book some flights on Jeff's credit card.
Clearly the words of someone who has never been involved in a res system migration from one platform to another. It's a process which many airlines have had years to plan and implement (and some have still messed it up royally) and so to be at this point just four months after Flybe collapsed having had an interim system running in the meantime is good going. Even when planned, this process can take 12 to 14 hours to migrate bookings then test and conduct the integrity checks of migrated bookings before going live.

Let's see what tomorrow brings.

Borntoflywillfly 7th Jul 2020 20:03


Originally Posted by Jerbourg (Post 10831362)
Self handling at GCI has been closed down & handling for SOU & JER is going back to Aurigny I hear, can anyone confirm or is this rumour?

Sounds like typical horse manure, aurigny have no handling in jersey since they pulled off of the route I believe?

KindaUnstuck 7th Jul 2020 20:15


Originally Posted by Borntoflywillfly (Post 10831367)
Sounds like typical horse manure, aurigny have no handling in jersey since they pulled off of the route I believe?

Jerbourg was suggesting the self-handling operation in Guernsey which handles flights to/from Southampton and Jersey had been closed down.

​​​​:)

I understand from someone who works at the airport that they haven't seen any sign of the Blue Islands handling equipment recently

bmaviscount 7th Jul 2020 21:34


Originally Posted by Flightrider (Post 10831365)
Clearly the words of someone who has never been involved in a res system migration from one platform to another. It's a process which many airlines have had years to plan and implement (and some have still messed it up royally) and so to be at this point just four months after Flybe collapsed having had an interim system running in the meantime is good going. Even when planned, this process can take 12 to 14 hours to migrate bookings then test and conduct the integrity checks of migrated bookings before going live.

Let's see what tomorrow brings.

Interesting when I checked earlier the only flight offered was the single daily SOU

I wonder how prepared they were for the border release

Will LCY return this summer?


kcockayne 7th Jul 2020 22:20

As prepared as anyone, I think. They have been in discussion with the States of Jersey for a while over the loan etc., so I would expect that they were made aware of what was being planned re. the re-opening. However, will it last now that a Covid case has materialized among the first arrivals ?

Fly757X 7th Jul 2020 23:51

New site is live. Looks well.

SOU-DUB/MAN due to start on the 31st of August too.

Wycombe 8th Jul 2020 07:05

Noticed that one of the Flybe-branded ATR72's G-ISLL went to NWI yesterday. For a repaint?

Gurnard 8th Jul 2020 07:24


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 10831686)
Noticed that one of the Flybe-branded ATR72's G-ISLL went to NWI yesterday. For a repaint?

Yes. G-ISLK has already been resprayed at NWI and is returning to JER today.

Wycombe 8th Jul 2020 07:54


G-ISLK has already been resprayed at NWI and is returning to JER today.
It's enroute back to the island currently by the looks.

Lets hope the new colours are a bit more interesting than those on 'LM and 'LN!

AirportPlanner1 8th Jul 2020 08:03


Originally Posted by bmaviscount (Post 10831445)
Will LCY return this summer?

It isn’t on the route map so sadly it seems the answer is no.


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