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fjencl 14th Sep 2023 14:37

Has the announcement been made yet, as to which airline has been selected to operate the PSO flights from Dundee to London.........?????


Sotonsean 14th Sep 2023 15:31


Originally Posted by fjencl (Post 11502771)
Has the announcement been made yet, as to which airline has been selected to operate the PSO flights from Dundee to London.........?????

Isn't it a foregone conclusion that Loganair will continue to operate the PSO flights between Dundee and London 🤔

If not, then I can't see any other airline operating it.

fjencl 20th Sep 2023 15:06

£6.2 Million of Tax payers Cash
 
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£6.2m of taxpayers' cash to subsidise Dundee to London flights (thecourier.co.uk)

jmdavies86 21st Sep 2023 09:30


Originally Posted by Sotonsean (Post 11502794)
If not, then I can't see any other airline operating it.

The only other airline might be Eastern Airways; they currently operate the PSO service on the WIC-ABZ route.

fjencl 21st Sep 2023 12:02

Referral of the proposed subsidy to Loganair Limited by Dundee City Council - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

SWBKCB 21st Sep 2023 12:30

As they voted for Dundee City Council, they must be happy.

Pain in the R's 21st Sep 2023 15:09

So what is the subsidy per passenger carried then?

davidjohnson6 21st Sep 2023 15:20

From May 2023 to July 2023 to/from Heathrow there have been an average of 2590 pax per month - that's arriving plus departing pax. Assuming numbers continue at this level, and rounding to the nearest pound, that gives a subsidy of £100 per passenger flying one way or £200 for a round trip.
An off-peak train fare from Dundee to London costs £ 96.40. There are typically 2 trains per hour from Dundee to each of Aberdeen and Edinburgh

Asturias56 21st Sep 2023 16:17

Not sustainable - well outside of Scotland -I'd have thought

NorthSouth 25th Sep 2023 07:53


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11506628)
From May 2023 to July 2023 to/from Heathrow there have been an average of 2590 pax per month - that's arriving plus departing pax. Assuming numbers continue at this level, and rounding to the nearest pound, that gives a subsidy of £100 per passenger flying one way or £200 for a round trip.
An off-peak train fare from Dundee to London costs £ 96.40. There are typically 2 trains per hour from Dundee to each of Aberdeen and Edinburgh

Surely it’s £200 per passenger i.e. per single journey? £6.2m divided by c.31,000 pax a year. I wonder if the privileged 25 or so people on each flight have any idea how much they’re sucking the taxpayer?
NS

NorthSouth 25th Sep 2023 08:02

Ah just spotted that the £6.2m is over 2 years, hence £100 per pax. Cheap!

willy wombat 25th Sep 2023 08:03


Originally Posted by NorthSouth (Post 11508606)
Surely it’s £200 per passenger i.e. per single journey? £6.2m divided by c.31,000 pax a year. I wonder if the privileged 25 or so people on each flight have any idea how much they’re sucking the taxpayer?
NS

I guess the question is whether the Dundee area gets more than £6.2 million value (inward investment or whatever) by having a direct air link to London. I haven't got a clue as to whether that is the case.

SealinkBF 25th Sep 2023 10:38


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11506628)
From May 2023 to July 2023 to/from Heathrow there have been an average of 2590 pax per month - that's arriving plus departing pax. Assuming numbers continue at this level, and rounding to the nearest pound, that gives a subsidy of £100 per passenger flying one way or £200 for a round trip.
An off-peak train fare from Dundee to London costs £ 96.40. There are typically 2 trains per hour from Dundee to each of Aberdeen and Edinburgh

I use LNER from KGX to INV and the seats in standard are so uncomfortable. So I always compare airfares to LNER First Class which are marginally better (with decent food usually) for an 8 hr journey.

fjencl 26th Sep 2023 14:35

Just wondering if the 2 stored Loganair Dornier 328's are still at DND or have they now gone to new owners.

goldeneye 26th Sep 2023 14:43


Originally Posted by fjencl (Post 11509467)
Just wondering if the 2 stored Loganair Dornier 328's are still at DND or have they now gone to new owners.

they are still at DND, but as per my post on the LM thread, Jethros is stating deregistered from UK register and onwards to German register. Not sure if they will fly out or will be broken up.

Saabdriver1 26th Sep 2023 15:13

They're going to fly out.

jmdavies86 26th Sep 2023 20:45

Wonder if they're heading to Deutsche Aircraft at Oberpfaffenhofen...?!

Link Kilo 23rd Nov 2023 12:45


Future of Dundee to Heathrow airport flights secured as Loganair awarded multi-million pound contract
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news...rded-contract/

Saabdriver1 18th Dec 2023 21:08

One of the two Dornier 328s in long-term storage at Dundee finally left on Saturday - and flew out under its own steam, which I think most thought we'd never see! Second likely to be a few weeks away from departure, I gather.

jmdavies86 19th Dec 2023 06:33


Originally Posted by Saabdriver1 (Post 11558885)
One of the two Dornier 328s in long-term storage at Dundee finally left on Saturday - and flew out under its own steam, which I think most thought we'd never see!

D-CDAJ (previously G-BYHG) was the aircraft - as I guessed, they're both heading to Deutsche Aircraft over at Oberpfaffenhofen.


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