Unusual for a lightning strike I would have thought. As I'm not familiar with the Max and given that he came straight back in without holding to burn off excess fuel, would that have been an overweight landing?

MTOW = 181,200 lbs
MLW = 152,800 lbs
MZFW = 145,400 lbs
OEW = 99,360 lbs
MDFC = 25,941lbs

Probably not an overweight landing given the likely payload at this time of year. but I'm just guessing.

If an aircraft needs to return, there is a safety LDW so it can land above MLDW as long as it’s within the safety buffer, which can fluctuate dependant on Zerofuel situation.

Aren’t EasyJet also on the EDI route, three airlines would definitely kill yield??

EasyJet are O&D. Wow and Icelandair have a significant amount of connecting traffic onward to the US & Canada.

There’s quite a large number of self connections on the Easyjet. Fly Wow & FI to KEF and then stay a few days before flying to EDI. They’re mainly young USA & CAN and few CHN students. They don’t seem to think about fares from Wow and FI that allow stopovers.

Does anyone know the summer 2018 schedule for norwegian at edinburgh?

For TATL it will be:

SWF at 4x per week
PVD at 3x per week

Ok thanks that is quite a downgrade from last years american routes by norwegian

Yes, One aircraft has been moved to Dublin in order to begin the double daily to SWF.

Yes I believe in this case it’s another reduction due to the failure of the SG to cut APD as promised. No such problem in Dublin.

why would APD effects be unique to Norwegian transatlantic at EDI?

CabinCrewe - Norwegian are trying out a new ULCC model for transatlantic with the MAX. Part of that plan was a reduction in APD, which hasn’t materialised. To stimulate the demand it needs low pricing, but they cant make the sort of yield they want on it with the APD as it is. Therefore they have shifted the focus to Ireland.

It won't be unique to Norwegian TATL at EDI as we have also seen FR can most of their GLA network as a result of this. As has been mentioned, for their business model on the TATL routes, APD at current levels is a huge barrier. More money to be made at Dublin and better chance of stimulating demand with lower prices overall.

or you could say, in the case of both Norwegian TA and FR, the product is so poor you can only sell it at rock bottom prices which APD stops you doing.

I wouldn’t say that though as I don’t think the product is poor. It serves a specific market.

Exactly - a specific market for which price is the be all and end all.

Yes but that does not mean the product is poor. Norwegian offer free WiFi for instance which is not universal throughout the airline world.

Obviously there are different views re this but if I had the choice of flying transatlantic on a 737 or, say, a 777, free wi fi wouldn't sway me.

Norwegian knew the APD situation when they started the routes. I'm told that they had apparently under-estimated the impact this would have ex US in particular, where they started to sell the same lead-in fares ex PVD and SWF to EDI as for DUB, ORK, SNN and BFS but of course, APD has to be deducted ex EDI. Unsurprisingly their yields are far stronger at the other airports than EDI, therefore capacity is being switched across.

They knew the score when they launched but missed a beat by recognising the impact of APD - and you can hardly blame the Scottish Government for that one.

But you are in the minority though. 83% of people will book not even knowing what type of aircraft they will be on.

I've never understood why people hate the 757 over the Atlantic. Once you sit down, you're jammed in between a window, the person next to you, and the seat 2 inches in front of your face. Doesn't matter if it's a 757 or a 777, you have the same amount of space.

Having travelled quite a few times TA recently "in the back" the least room I had was T7. Comparing to similar seats on A330/T7/75/76 and 737M8 73Max was absolutely fine with zero complaints tbh.

In all fairness, there is very little difference between the onboard product of Norwegian and the US carriers when flying in economy class from Edinburgh to New York.

Both Norwegian and US carriers have the same seat pitch and seat width in economy class.
Both Norwegian and US carriers have free IFE - US carriers' is accessed via seat-back TVs, Norwegian's via your mobile device.
Only Norwegian offers free onboard wi-fi.
Norwegian charges for meals, whereas US carriers provide free meals.

The main difference between flying economy class on Norwegian or one of the US carriers is the arrival airport in the US, because the onboard product is almost identical.

Or maybe it's nowt to do with APD and there isn't sufficient demand. DUB and EDI aren't the same markets, differentiated just by APD.

The SNP would like to reduce APD but they are a minority government and the Greens are against it.
Plus a snag has arisen re EU approval.

The Boston/New York area has a very strong connection to Ireland, so it should hardly be surprising that yield on the Irish routes is higher than on the Scottish routes.

Norwegian's decision has nothing to do with APD; it's simply a case of demand.

There is a lot more demand for transatlantic flights to the US East Coast from Ireland than there is from Scotland. Edinburgh and Glasgow already have an impressive offering to New York, and there's simply not enough demand to support all of these flights. The fact that United have reduced their GLA-EWR service to summer seasonal is evidence of this.

Furthermore, Norwegian's decision to operate three routes meant that the base was doomed to fail from the outset. BDL was only served from EDI, meaning it received a lot less advertising and brand awareness. Also, the fact that BDL is exactly halfway between SWF and PVD meant that passenger demand was split between three routes, instead of just two from BFS, DUB or SNN.

Surely though if Norwegian were able to charge the same westbound prices from EDI as they can from DUB, SNN and ORK then they would be able to stimulate demand even more. As has been mentioned, their business model here is as a ULCC and for that they need to keep the prices low. EDI is really at a disadvantage here when competing with the likes of DUB.

That being said, I do agree with your assessment of the Irish connections between New York/ Boston and Ireland so the DUB routes were always going to do well, even with EI in the mix.

Does anyone know any route rumours for edinburgh

I see that Qatar will be using the A350 daily!
Doha – Edinburgh eff 01JUL18 A350-900XWB replaces 787-8, 1 daily.

Regards 4ea

There are rumours aplenty!

* Hainan to Beijing
* China Eastern to Shanghai
* Virgin Atlantic to start direct US flights
* Emirates - will they or won't they?
* A Japan route
* Norwegian 737MAX service to Canada
* Norwegian 787 service to California
* Orlando - more frequent service courtesy of .... someone
* Wizzair - do they fancy a bit of the EDI action?
* AA - will they swap JFK for PHL?
* Is an Oxford route coming back?

The list goes on ....

Ok thanks thats great to hear i hope some of these routes get announced

In most cases , you'll have a long wait !

Won't say much but security being upgraded again this year in preparation for S19. Expansion in long haul so I'm told

I certainly think the Chinese route is not far off. There have also been rumours about Japan but those will more than likely be a series of charters.

Who knows what Norwegian will do although I reckon that hinges upon the reduction in APD. I do think Orlando is very much underserved and we could see movement on this soon.

One thing we can be certain of is continued growth which is great.

It is great to see the continued growth and i think some of these rumours might happen like the Beijing route it would be nice to see new airlines at Edinburgh as well

Does anyone know why aer Lingus/Stobart air are using an Aer Lingus A321 instead of the usual ATR72?

Rugby. Scotland played Ireland yesterday in Dublin.

https://www.edinburghairport.com/abo...uary-on-record

Up 4.3% in spite of the Beast from the East, which caused a significant drop in domestic PAX (-6%).

According to Dublin pages, Beijing to be announced on Thursday NON-STOP. Are we to hear direct from EDI also? Or has Brexit (Irish Border problem) become the latest complication of a multi-sector shared with DUB? I’m currently out of Scotland so have no access to my contacts to check, but I wonder if anyone else knows?

Don't DfT rules insist all passengers routing DUB-EDI-xyz re-clear security at EDI? This is why double drops no longer work in the UK market. DfT doesn't recognise any non UK security as to be a high enough standard, and to be fair, having come through some sleepier European airports in recent years, I can see why.