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inOban 10th Nov 2017 10:37

I see that the MAX8 returned last night, and the most southerly route I can recall: SW to over Shannon and then West.

EIFFS 11th Nov 2017 02:09

The winds aloft over the Atlantic dictate the NATS OTS ( organised track system) especially west bound, this past week the westerly winds have been >150 knots + some west bound tracks have been North of Iceland, I know of one crew that did SNN from SWF in around 5:05

4eyed anorak 13th Nov 2017 09:16

Record number continuing...

More than 1.2 million passengers used Edinburgh Airport in October, making it the busiest October on record for the terminal.
It’s the seventh consecutive month with over one million passengers using Scotland’s busiest airport.
A total of 1,226,109 people came through the terminal in October, an increase of 8.5% on the same month last year.
International passengers continued to surge, up 12.4% on October 2016 at 760,296.

October 2017
Vs Last Year
Domestic
465,813
+1.5%
International
760,296
+12.4%
Total
1,226,109
+8.5%
MAT
13,288,829
+9.2%

VickersVicount 23rd Nov 2017 17:40

Faroe Atlantic Airways switching A319 to A320 during fleet maintenance reshuffle for a few dates in April. Looking at previous loads theres going to be lots of empty seats! Surprised its stuck around outwith high season tbh

inOban 23rd Nov 2017 17:58

I always assumed it was used by the Faroese coming to do their Christmas shopping, which is why it continues until the turn of the year. What are the fares like? It may not matter if it's not full.

Porrohman 24th Nov 2017 11:10

Typically circa £200 - £335 return when I've checked so the yield should be better than the load factors might indicate. I wonder how much cargo, mail and parcels they carry. That might add to the financial viability. Also excess baggage.

LAX_LHR 7th Dec 2017 14:07

New weekly BA flight to Florence on Saturdays using E170 from May.

inOban 11th Dec 2017 09:41

+ 8.7% in November, entirely due to International growth.

A350Saltire 11th Dec 2017 14:08

18.1% growth in international passengers. Very impressive.

Sk1schoolsam 11th Dec 2017 22:19

Don’t expect December to be that good, especially with the number of cancellations over the past few weeks. Was one of the unlucky today who’s flight to Birmingham was cancelled at the last minute.

Sk1schoolsam 21st Dec 2017 11:49

Etihad reduces Edinburgh frequency in peak S18 (August) to 5 weekly in line with other months, disappointing and does this point towards further reductions?
Plenty other UK airports with new route activity for 2018 with TUi, Flybe, Wizz and Ryanair etc; but see very little coming EDI’s direction. Potential to harm growth.....
Apart from Washington DC (at the expense on a Newark rotation) no new long haul.
Does anyone have knowledge of anything new in the offering?

Jerry123 21st Dec 2017 12:32

United Airlines Washington
TUI Malaga
Thomas Cook Antalya
Ryanair Szczecin and Hamburg
Jet2 Antalya Kos and Dalaman
BA Cityflyer Florence

Edinburgh has a few new or returning routes for Summer 18.

GoEDI 21st Dec 2017 13:03

The increase to daily in August wasn't made until March this year, so still time for that to happen again if they want.

As for overall growth, Ryanair are currently +40ish rotations a week for S18 compared to S17 and that will bring healthy growth alone...

Norwegian recruiting for EDI based flight crew so not sure if they have anything up their sleeve, I'm not sure when MAX deliveries are due to recommence?

Richard Taylor 21st Dec 2017 13:42

Etihad are reducing quite a few frequencies on their various routes, so EDI not alone in that regard.

CabinCrewe 21st Dec 2017 16:01

EY loads and yields presumably determining those routes to be cut....

inOban 21st Dec 2017 17:23

Actually, apart from Jet2 at STN and BHX, there's relatively little growth elsewhere, certainly not enough to replace Monarch. Wizz have dropped several routes.
The main growth is in routes aimed at inbound tourists.

BTW, Ryanair seem to have pulled the summer Bremen flights.

compton3bravo 22nd Dec 2017 06:56

In Oban maybe it has passed you by about the Wizz expansion at Luton, seven based aircraft and a host of new routes with more to come.

inOban 22nd Dec 2017 08:26

They have increased slightly at Luton. The based aircraft are mainly operating existing routes. They have dropped many routes from smaller airports such as Liverpool and, I believe, even Glasgow.

mwm991 22nd Dec 2017 09:32

Yep they have been making cuts at their regional British ops. BHX, GLA, LPL, BRS, BFS, DSA have all experienced cuts of some sort. Looks like their UK focus is pretty much Luton for the foreseeable future.

chaps1954 22nd Dec 2017 09:51

Have you forgotten about MAN as there is plenty of growth there by Jet2,Easy,TCX
and by early new year almost all the Monarch capacity will be replaced plus growth

compton3bravo 22nd Dec 2017 14:26

You really must keep up inOban. Wizz have announced eight new routes from Luton recently plus increasing flights on some already established routes, representing a 23 per cent increase. It looks like they see a downturn in demand from a number of regional airports but not in the south east of England.

inOban 22nd Dec 2017 17:09

I didn't say they weren't growing at LTN, I admit I didn't realise by that much. I wonder whether it balances the loss of capacity from other airports. Anyway Wizz don't fly from EDI, and among the published data for Nov, EDI at 8.5% was the highest I noticed. Several hardly grew at all.

I suspect that many may struggle to maintain numbers next year.

CabinCrewe 23rd Dec 2017 08:26

Still don't get QR at EDI- now down to barely 50% load factor for Nov and biggest reduction in UK compared to other DOH routes. Surely thats not sustainable even with QR publicised issues?
Would love to go on an empty 787, would almost make that more appealing if the travelling public knew!
EY AUH not great either on 5 days per week. Wonder if two operators just too much. Outwith peak summer months even before blamed Qatar issues, QR loads were marginal at best.
Yet other ME routes consistently going from strength to strength - NCL EK DXB up 8%.

VickersVicount 23rd Dec 2017 08:30

50% - you're having a laugh ?
Doesn't bode well for the CWL launch....
Interesting times. Seems fuel prices going up too. More likely low cost carriers such as DY will feel the pinch with that even with some more fuel efficient types on their fleet.

Jerry123 23rd Dec 2017 08:54

CWL is completely different to EDI. Different market and a lot more competition. A better comparison for CWL would-be NCL.

GoEDI 23rd Dec 2017 13:17


Still don't get QR at EDI- now down to barely 50% load factor for Nov and biggest reduction in UK compared to other DOH routes. Surely thats not sustainable even with QR publicised issues?
Not quite... EDI was down 11% (56% LF), MAN was down 15% (65% LF), BHX not even reported yet, but not normally a great performer so will almost certainly be in a similar ballpark....

Doesn't make great reading, but QR have bigger issues I think. They need these UK routes to feed their hub at DOH even if they are struggling due to loss of DXB connecting traffic and the rest, consumer confidence etc.
November is traditionally a weaker month though, December will no doubt show some improvement.

I'm more intrigued as to why EY was down 13% on last year. They should be taking advantage of QR's current situ, but it seems EK are steam rollering the Scottish market Eastbound. The strength of Dubai as an O&D destination no doubt helps.

j636 23rd Dec 2017 22:01

QR start flying A350-9 from 1 July 2018 which is an increase in capacity....

inOban 23rd Dec 2017 23:32

Emirates has a profile among the general public that the others can only dream of. Lots of Edinburgh PAX seem to travel to GLA rather than use their 'own' ME flights.

GoEDI 24th Dec 2017 01:30


Originally Posted by j636 (Post 9999793)
QR start flying A350-9 from 1 July 2018 which is an increase in capacity....

Funny timing after the above posts... Fair increase in J capacity. That's quite telling. As we know the load factors posted do not show the whole picture, particularly in terms of the full service airlines and this would appear to be a good example. QR could be filling J and bulking out the B788 with cargo on a regular basis, CAA stats will not tell you that...

Sk1schoolsam 24th Dec 2017 09:15

Good point GoEDI......I have flown the Doha service 4 times this year and J class has been full each way each time. I do know they run a lot of offers though....
Personally love the service and find Doha HIA a great airport to transfer to AusPac or Asia.
Let’s hope the increase sticks.....

Porrohman 24th Dec 2017 11:56

I hear the same. People I know who use the QR service regularly often find that business class is fully booked so the upgrade to A350 makes sense from that perspective.

CabinCrewe 24th Dec 2017 18:53

Those wingtips and racoon nose will be a sight.
The booking engine still seems to show a mix of 787 and A359 and some dates blocked off, so maybe not finalised.
But I do still wonder with the vast majority of capacity Y space, there are not many routes can rely purely on standard underfloor cargo and if true, offer filled J seats.
Maybe CWL has required a reshuffle of aircraft, or maybe a pending A380 ��

A350Saltire 26th Dec 2017 12:33

Given my username, I’m over the moon with this news. Wonderful aircraft and a step above the 787 to travel on so really looking forward to seeing the raccoon regularly at EDI.

Agree with others; the extra J and cargo capacity are probably the reason for this.

wub 26th Dec 2017 13:55

Wednesday’s QR to Doha was delayed by 41 hours. Passengers are threatening legal action.

Plane.Silly 27th Dec 2017 08:12

Wouldn't you, if you were one of them? nearly 2 full days inconvenience, and a lot of people value their time

Nil further 27th Dec 2017 13:42

“Threatening legal action “

LMAO

wub 27th Dec 2017 14:59

https://www.scotsman.com/news/transp...elay-1-4645847

Plane.Silly 27th Dec 2017 15:04

The funniest thing about that link is right at the end where there's a link to EDI possibly getting a second service (albeit from 2014). Could do with sorting the first one out beforehand methinks.

edi_local 27th Dec 2017 15:32

1 such delay in over 3 years of service and you claim they need to sort themselves out?

What's your agenda then?

wub 27th Dec 2017 16:01

I was delayed 18 hours by Qatar in October, instead of being in Singapore, I spent a day in Doha. They had to pay me compensation of €1,200 Euros (after initially refusing to pay anything), so this is not an isolated incident.


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