How often are the coach's from Glasgow to EDI? Weegies seem to be flocking to EDI like never before!!
Unbelievably, despite the fact that GLA has upward of 40 flights a day to London, there are even Glaswegians using EDI to travel to London! This goes to show how happy Weegies are to use EDI. I'm sure Team EDI will be using this to their advantage when speaking to airline. Fly to GLA and you'll only serve Glasgow. Fly to EDI and you'll serve both cities. Congratulations on securing Scotland's China link. Now will GLA finally stop referring to itself as Scotland's principal long haul airport? |
you really dont do yourself any favours with that tone.
Getting a bit of a reputation on here now. |
Legitimate question and factual statements aren't welcome?
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There are a lot of people to travel to GLA to catch EK, rather than using the other ME3 from EDI. There used to be talk of a Wall somewhere around Harthill, but it's open both ways now.
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Of course there will be some, but I don't think the numbers will be remotely close.
You'll find far more Weegies at EDI than the reverse. Also, I highly doubt you'll find anyone at GLA who is travelling between Edinburgh and London. You'll find Weegies traveling to London at EDI. The message from those in the West of Scotland to the world's airlines is clear: You need not come to Glasgow, we'll come to you at EDI. This is perhaps a more fitting strap line than the current Proud to serve Scotland. |
Callum please stop trolling, this isnae the fitba :)
In purely catchment area terms GLA is on the wrong side of Glasgow for Edinburgh whereas EDI is on the right side of Edinburgh for Glasgow. Enough of the willy waving.... |
Callum, as a die-hard Scots Unionist, you should be pleased about the pulling & sharing of resources in the UK. In this case, Edinburgh pulls Weegies to their airport, & lets them share the services! :)
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I wonder if the soon to be pulled ABZ-FRA DLH service will see Aberdonians flock to GLA to use the FR or soon to start DLH FRA service Richard?
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Callum what are you on! The deogratory comments calling people from the West Coast “ Weegies” and the manner you do it you are soooo sad a person. Anyway if you had any clue or knowledge of the facts which I know you actually don’t. Both GLA & EDI show that around 10% of their domestic passengers are from each other’s catchment area. Yes that will mean more people from the West use Edinburgh as it’s bigger. The people that keep on saying Glasgow Airport is on the wrong side, forget Newton Mearns, Giffnock, Clarkston, Scotstoun, West End, Milingavie & Bearsden are that side of the city. This is where your businessman who travel daily live. Also on side note the bus from Glasgow to EDI apt is nearly always empty and usually only has students going on the cheap WOW or FR flights. Oh Callum in case you think know more than me, I work at both airports and get all the published and some unpublished stats from both management teams.
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Aberdonians don't flock anywhere LFT! :ok:
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Travelled through from Ayrshire to fly EZY to MPL via BSL. Took me 1 hour 20 which wasnt bad but parking costs a fortune and security was not exactly stress free. GLA is cheaper (but still extortionate) for parking and security is far more friendly and efficient than the regular mess that is EDI. I dont want to start the usual pathetic EDI v GLA nonsense amd I am only stating personal experience. Would be good to for CP to back up his claims with a tual stats but I wont hold my breath.
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Living in the Glasgow area gives a traveller three easily accessed airports, so only a fool would not use which one suits him best for each journey plan.
This thread was begun with the parochial GLA/ EDI nonsense that has left us without one large Central Airport and left us instead with two inadequate City Airports and a huge coastal airport that, while a national asset, will always be a limited passenger's choice. European carriers were very flexible with me when l travelled overseas a lot, letting me fly out from one airport and back to the other on the same ticket and price, but I spent many long waits sitting in the likes of CDG because my overnight was late and I missed the only early connection home. I had plenty of time to work out that one Central Airport would have flights to all the hubs on a frequent basis. I could see that the suggested site at Airth could not be better placed as a transport hub for all of Scotland, motorways and railways already on the doorstep. Dundee, Glasgow, Edinburgh and Prestwick could all be shut down, but I suppose that doing that would take away too many sinecures, and after all it's only working travellers who suffer. |
If the war had not broken out in 1939 Scotland's central airport might well have been in Grangemouth, in fact KLM operated one flight I believe. This site is about 28 miles from both Edinburgh and Glasgow and would have served the central belt very well. The present M9 is now very close, the Kincardine bridge was already built so connections to Fife were nearby, also railways and in fact the Forth too! How about a river connection to Edinburgh thrown in for good measure. Too late --- it is now a
refinery!! After the war both Edinburgh and Glasgow felt the need to have their own airports at Turnhouse and Renfrew. Grangemouth was history. |
I hate to be pedantic, but the refinery and the airport co-existed for quite a few years and where the runways are built on, it's by houses, a shopping centre and small offices/workshops - none of the plant actually impinges on the runways..... I'm sitting only a hundred yards, give or take, from one of the original hangars.
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Central Scotland Airport Study
There have been a number of studies over the decades looking at the possibility of a Central Scotland Airport. This is the most recent AFAIK; http://homepages.ed.ac.uk/mainbg/Files/csa%20study.pdf
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Originally Posted by rpmac
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If the war had not broken out in 1939 Scotland's central airport might well have been in Grangemouth
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Porrohman
This issue keeps raising its head every few decades. And every time, they decide if they'd done it last time they looked, we'd be better off, but to do it now would be a waste. And the cycle repeats. At some point someone needs to take the hit and just do it! Having two airports splits the market. How many extra flights would we now have if the market was combined? That China flight would have arrived a long time ago, that's for sure. |
I certainly get the economics of it all, larger airport with a combined catchement area, offering more/ regular flights and more destinations.
At the same time, it'll never happen, for the exact reason NH117 has mentioned, no one is brave enough to bite the bullet. You need a huge plot of land with enough room for at least 3/4 terminals, 2/3 runways, parking for 5/10k cars and road/rail links. Imagine that getting passed through the governments budget would be almost impossible |
Originally Posted by Donkey497
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I hate to be pedantic, but the refinery and the airport co-existed for quite a few years and where the runways are built on, it's by houses, a shopping centre and small offices/workshops - none of the plant actually impinges on the runways..... I'm sitting only a hundred yards, give or take, from one of the original hangars.
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Was the historic reason always the Forth Valley being fog prone? Not such an issue these days, but back in the day...
But a pointless argument anyway. Like "Maybe they should have had security in that book depository." |
It will never happen because:
(1) there is no business case and there needs to be as UK airports are private (as is/was the case with Boris island); (2) it would never get past all the planning hurdles; (3) there is no need for it, Abbotsinch and Turnhouse are nowhere near capacity and Prestwick is hardly operating at all. |
Being wholly private means short termism wins over legacy and planning. Sure EDI and GLA are growing strongly and making money for their shareholders, but over the next 50+ years would a proper greenfield site plugged into national rail be better for the country?
EDI is well beyond design capacity and is now at the 1970s Heathrow stage of just bolting add ons left right and centre after closing two “spare” runways and kicking out all GA. That does have an ROI and kicks the full rebuild can 15 years down the road but that airfield needs a whole new terminal sooner rather than later. Of course the Govt would have to buy out and close both GLA/EDI and that’s not affordable sadly. Strangely enough, suddenly, there’s something to be said for a BAA type of operation. Competiton is driving traffic in Scotland but at the price of two less than stellar airports. |
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Nince Ryanair growth in EDI, at GLA's demise
https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/r...rom-edinburgh/ extra a/c and 11 new routes. not bad indeed |
Any frequency growths on the services lost at Glasgow, but continuing/launching at Edinburgh?
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Wonder if Emirates will get the message and follow Ryanair to EDI?
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That's a very different affair.
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Main thing Edinburgh’s runway too small for 777W & A380 with loads available at Glasgow. Edinburgh’s Middle East flights loads are not exactly setting the heather on fire. EK is very profitable at Glasgow, gets special treatment and the majority of the communities it serves live in the West. In EK’s mind Edinburgh is served by both GLA & NCL. Unless a super Airport is built in Lanarkshire or Stirlingshire we need both airports being successful and competing with each other. If some of the my airport bigger than your airport people have to remember no competitor higher fares, higher fees and horrendous parking costs!!!
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GLAEDI, Edinburgh's runway is not too small for B777W and A380. The length is perfectly acceptable for most routes that might reasonably be expected at EDI in the foreseeable future and the PCN has been significantly increased. The shoulders on taxiways have recently been widened to make it easier for these aircraft to manoeuvre. Even before these works, B777Ws have operated from EDI on many occasions. The impediment to these aircraft regularly using EDI used to be the PCNs but most of these have increased as a result of recent works. EDI now has two new stands which are A380 sized and at least two more that can accommodate B777Ws.
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The market will decide. FR seem to have found that the profitable shorthaul market is at EDI. Other markets seem to prefer GLA.
Who knows where we will be even two years from now. Will a Chinese service actually happen? With Finnair going year round, will some of the China and Japan market switch to the shorter route via Helsinki? |
Thanks InOban markets will decide but sometimes I feel that people make comments on routes getting cancelled at another airport with glee, oh I hope EK move as well blah blah, forgetting that 300(which I believe is a bit exaggerated) have lost their jobs & career in an area of Scotland (Paisley down to Gourock and Greenock) where unemployment is high especially in low entry requirement jobs like Menzies & Swissport roles. These people will find it hard to find new jobs, most are mothers & fathers with child care. They can’t move to Edinburgh to work. I work in both airports and I want both to expand. Yes it would have been better in 60’s we built a single airport but politically that wouldn’t happen it sited the politics at the time to have the regions fly through LHR. Also we couldn’t even build the M8 the most important road in Scotland until 2017!! And even now it really is a jumped up A class road from Blackhill to Edinburgh. Two lanes to serve 3.5m people! Sorry for rant but I just feel the the people being made redundant are more important than what Airport is biggest
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I quite agree. Obviously GLA is my nearest airport, although for family reasons EDI is more convenient. I am delighted to see the revival of, for example, shipbuilding at Ferguson, and if we do manage to rebalance the economy towards real industries, the West of Scotland will thrive again. But the airline business, except for a few PSO routes, operates in the free market. Which is why I can't understand why PIK remains open for scheduled flights.
My sympathies to to the lower paid employees who may lose their jobs. |
Originally Posted by GLAEDI
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Thanks InOban markets will decide but sometimes I feel that people make comments on routes getting cancelled at another airport with glee, oh I hope EK move as well blah blah, forgetting that 300(which I believe is a bit exaggerated) have lost their jobs & career in an area of Scotland (Paisley down to Gourock and Greenock) where unemployment is high especially in low entry requirement jobs like Menzies & Swissport roles. These people will find it hard to find new jobs, most are mothers & fathers with child care.
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I imagine EDI might be on EK's radar once the B787-10s start arriving but that's still a few years off...
Originally Posted by A350Saltire
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I agree with you but that should also be taken into account by those shouting for the closure of PIK. There will be significant job losses there too if that happens. We shouldn't only worry about it when it happens at GLA or EDI.
As horrible as any job losses are, there's no way that number is going to be 300 from this move, that's just FR with their usual grossly exaggerated numbers. Air crew will be reassigned and any ground crew reductions will ideally be restricted to fixed term contracts that would terminate at end of S18 anyway. |
PIK really needs to look alternatives in its product. Maybe the SG money instead of paying for a huge terminal look at a smaller one so Ryanair can continue cycling in frames for maintenance using PIK routes and some alternative actions, one with the way Brexit is going could be a Customs point with the Island of Ireland for goods. There’s going to be a lot of products needing cleared for circulation into the EU & U.K. markets. There’s a lot of job in Ayrshire reliant on PIK also.
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Ryanair got 100% on their 3 flights in and out from PIK today. Not sure if all the outward passengers made the flight or if the inwards got home.
This snow is weird, it must have been lighter down there. I looked at the Oban webcam this afternoon and it was like a Summers day up there. |
The Norwegian flight to Bradley Locks was struck by lightning on departure tonight and did a swift circuit of Central Scotland, before landing back at EDI.
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It may have looked like a summer's day in Oban. I can assure you that it was perishing cold. Below freezing all day. The hills looked beautiful.
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I'd like to offer huge congratulations to the staff at Edinburgh Airport yesterday for keeping the airport open for most of the day despite atrocious weather conditions. Most flight cancellations were due to crew and passengers being unable to reach the airport. The runway remained open apart from some short, pre-planned interludes for snow clearing.
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Looking at the Jan 18 C.A.A. stats for Kevlavik-Edinburgh now has nearly double the amount of passengers compared to Glasgow (just over 11000). Surely Icelandair must be looking closely at starting the route as well or will they continue with Glasgow only? Does Icelandair and WOW compete on any other singular route?
Regards 4ea |
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