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tomahawk98 31st Oct 2018 11:52


Originally Posted by BAladdy (Post 10297643)
Loganair have today announced new year round routes from EDI to BGO, SVG and ILY for S19. They also plan to operate operate a seasonal service to GCI. Flights to BGO, GCI and GCI will be operated by a 37 seat ER3

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...from-edinburgh

LOL...........

Skipness One Foxtrot 31st Oct 2018 12:26

Do better than “LOL”, at least try to add something...

Small volume routes the big boys won’t go for on a jet that’s not super expensive to fly at current fuel prices. Knowing EDI they’ll be bussing for miles like flybe alas.....

tomahawk98 31st Oct 2018 14:43


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 10297703)
Do better than “LOL”, at least try to add something...

Small volume routes the big boys won’t go for on a jet that’s not super expensive to fly at current fuel prices. Knowing EDI they’ll be bussing for miles like flybe alas.....

The route isn't compatible with the ERJ135.

goldeneye 31st Oct 2018 15:13


Originally Posted by tomahawk98 (Post 10297856)
The route isn't compatible with the ERJ135.

Which route isn’t compatible ?

Link says that BGO, SVG and GCI will be on E135
and ILY is on S340.

Jerbourg 31st Oct 2018 17:09

I seem to recall that GCI cannot take a fully loaded 145 due to stopping distance, but the 135 is ok - am I right?

kcockayne 31st Oct 2018 17:49

No problem then, Jerbourg, when the runway has been extended. I

Rob Royston 31st Oct 2018 23:34


Originally Posted by Jerbourg (Post 10298008)
I seem to recall that GCI cannot take a fully loaded 145 due to stopping distance, but the 135 is ok - am I right?

Is take off distance not the issue?

SealinkBF 4th Nov 2018 09:40

Loganair website now has Orkney inter-island airports listed in drop down menu.
With Flybe being valued at £24m last week might BM/LM pounce? That would be a turn up!

PDXCWL45 4th Nov 2018 10:23


Originally Posted by SealinkBF (Post 10301150)
Loganair website now has Orkney inter-island airports listed in drop down menu.
With Flybe being valued at £24m last week might BM/LM pounce? That would be a turn up!

How would that benefit them?

Navpi 4th Nov 2018 10:29

Or pick on the carcass?

PDXCWL45 4th Nov 2018 10:46


Originally Posted by Navpi (Post 10301202)
Or pick on the carcass?

which I doubt they would have the strength to do.

Plane mad 134 4th Nov 2018 13:41

Does anyone have any ideas on what the next route announcements will be, I expect Glasgow will get a few and Edinburgh will also probably get a few more routes seeing as the based Emb135 at Edinburgh only has a daily flight scheduled and would be sitting around for a while.

Albert Hall 4th Nov 2018 14:09


which I doubt they would have the strength to do
Have you had a look at who owns it? I think they have the strength to do pretty much anything their owners want to do. The key in there is the shareholders wanting to do something, which can't always be taken as a given.

SealinkBF 4th Nov 2018 17:37

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9391d51c32.jpg

Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10301196)
How would that benefit them?

Restore connectivity lost when Flybe threw their toys out of the pram.

Before a restructure which saw Manx take over most of their routes, Loganair was a huge UK regional airline. Flybe routes like Belfast to Manchester, Glasgow and Edinburgh were all Loganair routes.

GoEDI 4th Nov 2018 17:38


Originally Posted by Plane mad 134 (Post 10301343)
Does anyone have any ideas on what the next route announcements will be, I expect Glasgow will get a few and Edinburgh will also probably get a few more routes seeing as the based Emb135 at Edinburgh only has a daily flight scheduled and would be sitting around for a while.

The E135 is NWI based. The EDI Euro routes are being operated as a W pattern from there, so I reckon the next announcement will be GLA routes only.

mullac30 4th Nov 2018 17:51

The INV ERJ has a fair bit of spare time, especially in the winter, any chance of more euro routes from INV? Perhaps CDG with their AF/KLM links? They could ever do this route from GLA as well, seeing that they might have more success than HOP with their smaller A/C.

Jamesair 4th Nov 2018 18:07

Nothing yet about the proposed Carlisle routes.....if a March 19 start is planned, surely they must be going on sale soon?

VickersVicount 4th Nov 2018 19:38

I always get slightly concerned about non based W patterns in terms of time keeping and reliability, especially with a random fleet

Fly757X 4th Nov 2018 19:48


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 10301639)
I always get slightly concerned about non based W patterns in terms of time keeping and reliability, especially with a random fleet

Over Longer sectors they tend to work better. In this case it will be hit or miss, especially considering GCI's regular spells of low vis.

GoEDI 4th Nov 2018 20:23

The E135 schedule is certainly tight during the week. 8 sector days with generally only 30-45mins ground time.

virginblue 5th Nov 2018 07:39


Originally Posted by Fly757X (Post 10301646)
Over Longer sectors they tend to work better. In this case it will be hit or miss, especially considering GCI's regular spells of low vis.

GCI is a seasonal flight only on saturdays, so very little risk as the aircraft will most likely have a more relaxed schedule on saturdays.

Fly757X 5th Nov 2018 07:55


Originally Posted by virginblue (Post 10301971)
GCI is a seasonal flight only on saturdays, so very little risk as the aircraft will most likely have a more relaxed schedule on saturdays.

Sorry completely missed that, cheers 👍🏽

harriewillem 5th Nov 2018 20:08

Expansion is huge and goes so fast for them.. as they need high yield I do hope all these start ups dont start a proces we dont want to see logan air in!

ifu05596 14th Nov 2018 20:58

Wonder if Scotland’s airline has deep enough pockets to take over an old flame that tried to extinguish then less than a year ago...

inOban 14th Nov 2018 21:14

Makes more sense than the ideas of many other posters.

mwm991 14th Nov 2018 21:39


Originally Posted by ifu05596 (Post 10311456)
Wonder if Scotland’s airline has deep enough pockets to take over an old flame that tried to extinguish then less than a year ago...

Can't see it. At most they will pick up on any dropped BE Scottish routes.

mullac30 14th Nov 2018 21:46


Originally Posted by mwm991 (Post 10311482)
Can't see it. At most they will pick up on any dropped BE Scottish routes.

Loganair's parent company, Sector, could well have deep enough pockets to take Flybe. It would probably have to go with a shake-up of the whole AIL, with all BE and BM Scottish operations moving to Loganair, BE ERJ services moving to BM, and Loganair's NWI operation moving to BMI, seeing that it's becoming an ER3 base anyway. CAX ops could move to whats left of Flybe.

Probably not likely, though.

ifu05596 14th Nov 2018 22:09

Wouldn’t rule it out could be something interesting if the estate was divided between bmi and Loganair. I think from a balance sheet perspective the group is quite strong and Loganair is constrained by lack of available aircraft and has an aging fleet... that and from a brand perspective - Loganair over Flybe every minute of every day...

davidjohnson6 14th Nov 2018 22:36

Flybe would be an awfully big mouthful (in relative terms) to be digested by the combination of Loganair and bmi. Furthermore, Loganair has prospered by being a rather conservative airline - they are not known for taking great risks.
That said, I could see Loganair biting off a *chunk* of Flybe - perhaps taking on some aircraft, crew and the thinner routes from Scotland to airports in the rest of the UK which won't support double daily A320 service (most definitely not the ones to London)

4567 15th Nov 2018 16:15

I think if Flybe is carved up then BMI and Loganair will take a chunk if they can but taking on Flybe would be a mistake, especially inheriting a load of q400 aircraft when their move has been towards ATR.
Definetley reoresents an opportunity for the AIL group though I would think.

southside bobby 15th Nov 2018 18:44

Loganair have signed an interlining single ticket agreement with Emirates for their Dundee-Stansted PSO service covering onward travel STN to DXB & a further 155 connecting destinations.

SWBKCB 16th Nov 2018 07:58

Thanks SSB - some real, meaningful news amongst all the yards of speculation.

Should help the "global connectivity" which is what this PSO route is all about.

shamrock7seal 16th Nov 2018 08:57

Interesting move by Loganair to introduce Bournemouth to Channel Islands routes in competition with Flybe at Southampton

Plane mad 134 16th Nov 2018 08:57

Loganair have announced new routes from Bournemouth to Jersey and Guernsey on E135 aircraft.

22/04 16th Nov 2018 14:28


Loganair have announced new routes from Bournemouth to Jersey and Guernsey on E135 aircraft.
Are these w patterns- if so probably a good way to use the aircraft especially in the current climate- sadly they will take business for next summer from an ailing FlyBe

goldeneye 16th Nov 2018 15:55


Originally Posted by 22/04 (Post 10312907)
Are these w patterns- if so probably a good way to use the aircraft especially in the current climate- sadly they will take business for next summer from an ailing FlyBe

looking at the times looks like it is NWI-JER-BOH-GCI-BOH-JER-NWI

TartinTon 16th Nov 2018 16:19


Originally Posted by 22/04 (Post 10312907)
Are these w patterns- if so probably a good way to use the aircraft especially in the current climate- sadly they will take business for next summer from an ailing FlyBe

Poetic justice after what they tried and failed to do to Loganair in Scotland. As you sow.....

Dropoffcharge 16th Nov 2018 19:28


Originally Posted by 22/04 (Post 10312907)
sadly they will take business for next summer from an ailing FlyBe

I can honestly see some Scotland routes from BOH being added before next year as well, strike while the iron is hot so to speak!!!

Sharklet_321 20th Nov 2018 01:45

Do you have this on good authority?

I am sceptical about the success of 'regional' airline services from BOH because of the list of failures in the past and the inability to compete with the high frequency of flights at SOU. What seems to work at BOH is low cost as it appeals to a wider catchment area and is far less bothered about frequency. The higher fares of regionals reduce that potential customer base and make it unviable (for BOH).

BOH saw double daily services to Prestwick with Ryanair but the pax were all paying next to nothing. Flybe also tried double daily Glasgow flights that lasted less than a year before being consolidated at SOU.

The operators that have tried and failed with BOH-Scotland include:

Euroscot Express (1-11 and ATR-72), 55,000 pax to GLA (1997/8)
Gill Air (ATR-72/42), 29,000 pax to GLA (1999)
Ryanair (738) 120,000 pax to GLA and 80,000 pax to EDI (2003-2010)
Flybe (Q400) 33,000 pax (2015)

VickersVicount 20th Nov 2018 16:34

Mention on CH Aviation of LC supplementing their Saab 340 fleet... I thought they were looking for ATRs?


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