Does anyone know when Loganair might announce what European cities it plans to serve with the ER4’s joining the fleet for S19?. I have heard that BRU will almost definitely be one of the routes announced and have heard rumours of flights to CPH. |
Originally Posted by edi_local
(Post 10218121)
Just thinking about this. Why would the APD not apply for onward connections?
I understand APD not applying for the initial 'lifeline' links between the highlands and islands and the mainland, but why should people not pay it on the onward legs? |
Is Loganair profitable? Where can I find financial performance data?
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
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Is Loganair profitable? Where can I find financial performance data?
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The loss was only due to the fact that they went out on their own instead of a franchise, branding etc
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Loganair are taking over from Eastern Airways as operator of BACF’s up to 3 x daily IOM-LCY service from 01SEP18. Crew currently based at IOM and employed by Eastern are to be TUPEd to Loganair. Flights will be operated by a S2000 which will be based at IOM. It is unclear if the S2000 operating the route will be painted in full BA livery. Hopefully Loganair will prove to more reliable operator than Eastern Airways has been in recent months. |
As soon as I heard Eastern were stopping the Isle of Man to London route for BA I always thought Loganair would take over because of their previous partnership with them and they also have the right size of aircraft.
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Good that they found a use for the aircraft that was earmarked for Carlisle
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Mmm, not sure on their daily reliability, especially stretching resources on new sectors and bases. My last two flights with loganair (Wick) were one and two hours (SYY) delayed on 30min flights. Cant be any worse! Is this Loganair's first trip to LCY? |
Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
(Post 10224736)
Is this Loganair's first trip to LCY?
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
(Post 10224700)
Good that they found a use for the aircraft that was earmarked for Carlisle
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i understood it was to be a Saab 340 for Carlisle
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I don't doubt that it was but all it means is that they can use the 340 elsewhere on the current network and switch a 2000 to IOM
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Originally Posted by oapilot
(Post 10224779)
No they’ve been there before, when under the Flybe franchise. |
Loganair's new Emb135 G-SAJB is in the paintshop having been withdrawn from service for BMI on 30th of September.
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https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f95ce22f3.jpeg And here it is!
Originally Posted by Plane mad 134
(Post 10267527)
Loganair's new Emb135 G-SAJB is in the paintshop having been withdrawn from service for BMI on 30th of September.
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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134
(Post 10267527)
Loganair's new Emb135 G-SAJB is in the paintshop having been withdrawn from service for BMI on 30th of September.
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Nice to see XJ again after a long time. She, alternating with XK, was based at Leeds Bradford for a few years operating mainly Brussels and Glasgow schedules, neither of which we have now. Are you paying attention, Logan ?
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Interesting approx fuel burn comparisons Saab340 ~400kg/hr Saab2000 ~ 900kg/hr ERJ135 - 1100kg/hr Obviously the fuel flow is only part of the economics with faster quicker flight times, full ownership and no repayments. I think maintenance costs of Saabs are also disproportionate. BMI have done okay with them so dont think theres a major issue here. Im sure Loganair have 'done the math' |
Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 10285682)
Interesting approx fuel burn comparisons Saab340 ~400kg/hr Saab2000 ~ 900kg/hr ERJ135 - 1100kg/hr Obviously the fuel flow is only part of the economics with faster quicker flight times, full ownership and no repayments. I think maintenance costs of Saabs are also disproportionate. BMI have done okay with them so dont think theres a major issue here. Im sure Loganair have 'done the math' |
S19 schedule should come out sometime December.
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Originally Posted by BAladdy
(Post 10223056)
Does anyone know when Loganair might announce what European cities it plans to serve with the ER4’s joining the fleet for S19?. I have heard that BRU will almost definitely be one of the routes announced and have heard rumours of flights to CPH. Imo they'd be better going for routes that are not currently served (or only lightly served) from the central belt such as BGO, SVG, OSL, HAJ, LUX, ZRH, BIO. These are much thinner in terms of pax numbers, but due to the lack of competition or direct alternatives I suspect they'd be better able to command the kind of higher fares such an operation would likely require. I really hope LOG have done their homework very dilligently on this, as a poor choice of routes could be a real mess. |
I strongly agree. EDI-LUX/ZRH could be good routes. Maybe GLA-OSL/DUS (if EW are leaving that route). Can't see any value in them attempting the likes of BRU and CPH given the competition, as you say. Shouldn't be trying to rely on codeshares and connections to hub routes either. It might increase demand, but it will just dilute the yields. Needs to be p2p routes that can generate good O&D demand even with high fares in order to create good margins on these ERJs IMO...
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G-SAJB was officially re-registered and transferred to Loganair today, according to G-INFO. It is currently at Inverness awaiting the take over services from the leased BMI a/c, whilst G-SAJC will do Glasgow S2000 routes when it arrives.
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Why G-SAJ* in particular?
Someone's initals? |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 10288599)
Why G-SAJ* in particular?
Someone's initals? Presumably, the first ATR42 that comes in "late 2019" will be something like: G-SATA (T for Turboprop) G-SAPA (P for Prop) |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 10288599)
Why G-SAJ* in particular?
Someone's initals? |
Why is the leased BMI 145 at INV still doing half the flights? Why can't the 135 take over completely?
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Looks like the Manchester-Inverness service is being operated by a mixture of aircraft over the next few days. Maybe LM do not have enough Embraer trained crews at the moment. |
https://buyingbusinesstravel.com/fea...nkles-loganair
Just read this article online. The article states that LM plan to add 4 ex BM jets in the next year and that they will be based at GLA & NWI. So looks like the days of LM operating the day D328 are numbered. |
BMI used to operate to Zurich from EDI, stopped about the time of the BA sale. Going back even further, Crossair used to operate from ZRH with a Saab 2000 in the late 90s |
According to a recent interview GLA will be the main source of European destinations from Scotland, slot application dependent two airports in Germany have been applied to and waiting to hear back. Assumptions at the moment at taking over the Dusseldorf route which has been dropped by eurowings and perhaps Hamburg or Hannover could be a good prediction. As as has been mentioned Brussels and Copenhagen may be a step too far but you never know in the aviation world, I suppose it will depend on the success of jet operations. |
A concern with Loganair is that their future jet fleet comprises of aged airframes that have excessive fuel burn per seat. This will become very unhealthy for them soon, once their hedges have run out.
Starting European routes in expectation that Scotland will leave the European Union is also not risk free. |
Originally Posted by limited_sight
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A concern with Loganair is that their future jet fleet comprises of aged airframes that have excessive fuel burn per seat. This will become very unhealthy for them soon, once their hedges have run out.
Starting European routes in expectation that Scotland will leave the European Union is also not risk free. |
Jota flew Avro RJ85 G-JOTR for Loganair for a few days in mid-October. Was this covering for an aircraft in maintenance?
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Loganair starting City of Derry Airport LDY - Glasgow GLA this coming Sunday 28th Oct and it is sold out and so is the return the following Sunday 4th Nov.
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If/when LOGANAIR start flights from SEN could they pick up the GLASGOW flights that have been stopped by STOBART/FLYBE or would costs make it a non starter
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Originally Posted by mikkie4
(Post 10296071)
If/when LOGANAIR start flights from SEN could they pick up the GLASGOW flights that have been stopped by STOBART/FLYBE or would costs make it a non starter
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Gla-Man
Bring back Loganair on GLA-MAN. I’m working there until the end of January and looks like winter has Flybe down to 2 flights Man-Gla on Thursday/Friday and will lose my Friday night due to a 7pm flight... Wouldn't mind the Clan points either! |
Loganair have today announced new year round routes from EDI to BGO, SVG and ILY for S19. They also plan to operate operate a seasonal service to GCI. Flights to BGO, GCI and GCI will be operated by a 37 seat ER3 http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...from-edinburgh |
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