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BAladdy 14th Aug 2018 04:59

Does anyone know when Loganair might announce what European cities it plans to serve with the ER4’s joining the fleet for S19?. I have heard that BRU will almost definitely be one of the routes announced and have heard rumours of flights to CPH.

SealinkBF 14th Aug 2018 21:00


Originally Posted by edi_local (Post 10218121)
Just thinking about this. Why would the APD not apply for onward connections?

I understand APD not applying for the initial 'lifeline' links between the highlands and islands and the mainland, but why should people not pay it on the onward legs?

There already is an incentive - no APD.

shamrock7seal 15th Aug 2018 06:25

Is Loganair profitable? Where can I find financial performance data?

SWBKCB 15th Aug 2018 06:41


Originally Posted by shamrock7seal (Post 10224085)
Is Loganair profitable? Where can I find financial performance data?

see from post 120

awwdabaaby 15th Aug 2018 06:54

The loss was only due to the fact that they went out on their own instead of a franchise, branding etc

BAladdy 15th Aug 2018 14:29

Loganair are taking over from Eastern Airways as operator of BACF’s up to 3 x daily IOM-LCY service from 01SEP18. Crew currently based at IOM and employed by Eastern are to be TUPEd to Loganair. Flights will be operated by a S2000 which will be based at IOM. It is unclear if the S2000 operating the route will be painted in full BA livery.

Hopefully Loganair will prove to more reliable operator than Eastern Airways has been in recent months.

Plane mad 134 15th Aug 2018 16:19

As soon as I heard Eastern were stopping the Isle of Man to London route for BA I always thought Loganair would take over because of their previous partnership with them and they also have the right size of aircraft.

TartinTon 15th Aug 2018 17:56

Good that they found a use for the aircraft that was earmarked for Carlisle

CabinCrewe 15th Aug 2018 18:45

Mmm, not sure on their daily reliability, especially stretching resources on new sectors and bases. My last two flights with loganair (Wick) were one and two hours (SYY) delayed on 30min flights.
Cant be any worse! Is this Loganair's first trip to LCY?

oapilot 15th Aug 2018 19:35


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 10224736)
Is this Loganair's first trip to LCY?

No they’ve been there before, when under the Flybe franchise.

virginblue 15th Aug 2018 20:12


Originally Posted by TartinTon (Post 10224700)
Good that they found a use for the aircraft that was earmarked for Carlisle

From what I know, the Carlisle-based aircraft was supposed to be a Saab 340.

Jamesair 15th Aug 2018 21:44

i understood it was to be a Saab 340 for Carlisle

TartinTon 16th Aug 2018 17:37

I don't doubt that it was but all it means is that they can use the 340 elsewhere on the current network and switch a 2000 to IOM

Gurnard 16th Aug 2018 20:23


Originally Posted by oapilot (Post 10224779)


No they’ve been there before, when under the Flybe franchise.

Logan operated Do.328s from LCY after absorbing the former Suckling/Scot Airways outfit.

Plane mad 134 6th Oct 2018 18:21

Loganair's new Emb135 G-SAJB is in the paintshop having been withdrawn from service for BMI on 30th of September.

ifu05596 10th Oct 2018 21:49

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f95ce22f3.jpeg
And here it is!


Originally Posted by Plane mad 134 (Post 10267527)
Loganair's new Emb135 G-SAJB is in the paintshop having been withdrawn from service for BMI on 30th of September.


Gurnard 11th Oct 2018 07:11


Originally Posted by Plane mad 134 (Post 10267527)
Loganair's new Emb135 G-SAJB is in the paintshop having been withdrawn from service for BMI on 30th of September.

Hmmm... Back in service with BMR as of yesterday, operating out of Bristol.

Mooncrest 11th Oct 2018 09:26

Nice to see XJ again after a long time. She, alternating with XK, was based at Leeds Bradford for a few years operating mainly Brussels and Glasgow schedules, neither of which we have now. Are you paying attention, Logan ?

VickersVicount 17th Oct 2018 18:44

Interesting approx fuel burn comparisons
Saab340 ~400kg/hr
Saab2000 ~ 900kg/hr
ERJ135 - 1100kg/hr

Obviously the fuel flow is only part of the economics with faster quicker flight times, full ownership and no repayments. I think maintenance costs of Saabs are also disproportionate.
BMI have done okay with them so dont think theres a major issue here. Im sure Loganair have 'done the math'

LFT 17th Oct 2018 19:37


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 10285682)
Interesting approx fuel burn comparisons
Saab340 ~400kg/hr
Saab2000 ~ 900kg/hr
ERJ135 - 1100kg/hr

Obviously the fuel flow is only part of the economics with faster quicker flight times, full ownership and no repayments. I think maintenance costs of Saabs are also disproportionate.
BMI have done okay with them so dont think theres a major issue here. Im sure Loganair have 'done the math'

"Done the math" - Wow, you American? But anyway, I'm sure they've done their sums as they say in Scotland and nice to see another Jet in Loganair colours and I'll hopefully have a flight in it soon.

mwm991 17th Oct 2018 20:01

S19 schedule should come out sometime December.

nef 20th Oct 2018 15:04


Originally Posted by BAladdy (Post 10223056)
Does anyone know when Loganair might announce what European cities it plans to serve with the ER4’s joining the fleet for S19?. I have heard that BRU will almost definitely be one of the routes announced and have heard rumours of flights to CPH.

I think cph and bru could be a mistake given the sheer volume of frequency, capacity and ultra low fares available on these routes from EDI - you can get edi-cph on Fr for £26 rtn and edi-bru on SN for as little as £64 rtn on many dates over the coming winter! A LOG e145 operation will surely require fares of £150-200+ and I'm skeptical whether they'll be able to get enough pax willing to pay such fares at GLA in the face of what's available at EDI only 40 miles down the M8. I think many pax traveling to these destinations could just ignore a LOG service due to fare difference and fly from EDI instead.

Imo they'd be better going for routes that are not currently served (or only lightly served) from the central belt such as BGO, SVG, OSL, HAJ, LUX, ZRH, BIO. These are much thinner in terms of pax numbers, but due to the lack of competition or direct alternatives I suspect they'd be better able to command the kind of higher fares such an operation would likely require.

I really hope LOG have done their homework very dilligently on this, as a poor choice of routes could be a real mess.

GoEDI 20th Oct 2018 17:36

I strongly agree. EDI-LUX/ZRH could be good routes. Maybe GLA-OSL/DUS (if EW are leaving that route). Can't see any value in them attempting the likes of BRU and CPH given the competition, as you say. Shouldn't be trying to rely on codeshares and connections to hub routes either. It might increase demand, but it will just dilute the yields. Needs to be p2p routes that can generate good O&D demand even with high fares in order to create good margins on these ERJs IMO...

mullac30 20th Oct 2018 22:39

G-SAJB was officially re-registered and transferred to Loganair today, according to G-INFO. It is currently at Inverness awaiting the take over services from the leased BMI a/c, whilst G-SAJC will do Glasgow S2000 routes when it arrives.

Skipness One Foxtrot 21st Oct 2018 14:59

Why G-SAJ* in particular?
Someone's initals?

mullac30 21st Oct 2018 15:01


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 10288599)
Why G-SAJ* in particular?
Someone's initals?

Scotland's Airline Jet?
Presumably, the first ATR42 that comes in "late 2019" will be something like:
G-SATA (T for Turboprop)
G-SAPA (P for Prop)

Atlantic Explorer 21st Oct 2018 15:02


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 10288599)
Why G-SAJ* in particular?
Someone's initals?

Scotland’s Airline Jets.

mullac30 23rd Oct 2018 21:47

Why is the leased BMI 145 at INV still doing half the flights? Why can't the 135 take over completely?

BAladdy 24th Oct 2018 01:32

Looks like the Manchester-Inverness service is being operated by a mixture of aircraft over the next few days. Maybe LM do not have enough Embraer trained crews at the moment.

BAladdy 24th Oct 2018 01:38

https://buyingbusinesstravel.com/fea...nkles-loganair

Just read this article online. The article states that LM plan to add 4 ex BM jets in the next year and that they will be based at GLA & NWI. So looks like the days of LM operating the day D328 are numbered.

goldeneye 25th Oct 2018 15:51

BMI used to operate to Zurich from EDI, stopped about the time of the BA sale.

Going back even further, Crossair used to operate from ZRH with a Saab 2000 in the late 90s

4567 25th Oct 2018 19:05

According to a recent interview GLA will be the main source of European destinations from Scotland, slot application dependent two airports in Germany have been applied to and waiting to hear back. Assumptions at the moment at taking over the Dusseldorf route which has been dropped by eurowings and perhaps Hamburg or Hannover could be a good prediction.

As as has been mentioned Brussels and Copenhagen may be a step too far but you never know in the aviation world, I suppose it will depend on the success of jet operations.

limited_sight 26th Oct 2018 11:12

A concern with Loganair is that their future jet fleet comprises of aged airframes that have excessive fuel burn per seat. This will become very unhealthy for them soon, once their hedges have run out.

Starting European routes in expectation that Scotland will leave the European Union is also not risk free.

mullac30 26th Oct 2018 11:41


Originally Posted by limited_sight (Post 10292985)
A concern with Loganair is that their future jet fleet comprises of aged airframes that have excessive fuel burn per seat. This will become very unhealthy for them soon, once their hedges have run out.

Starting European routes in expectation that Scotland will leave the European Union is also not risk free.

The ERJs aren't just for expansion, they are also replacing S2000s and D328s. It's been mentioned that the considerably cheaper parts and maintenance, and the higher reliability of the ERJ compensates for the higher fuel burn compared to the Saab 2000 and D328 that they will be replacing on routes that don't require short field performance ( this is where at least one brand new ATR 42-600S will come in Q3 2019 ) in order to phase out the S2000 when they go off lease in 2020.

spagiola 26th Oct 2018 12:59

Jota flew Avro RJ85 G-JOTR for Loganair for a few days in mid-October. Was this covering for an aircraft in maintenance?

scodaman 26th Oct 2018 17:38

Loganair starting City of Derry Airport LDY - Glasgow GLA this coming Sunday 28th Oct and it is sold out and so is the return the following Sunday 4th Nov.

mikkie4 29th Oct 2018 20:09

If/when LOGANAIR start flights from SEN could they pick up the GLASGOW flights that have been stopped by STOBART/FLYBE or would costs make it a non starter

_aax1 29th Oct 2018 20:40


Originally Posted by mikkie4 (Post 10296071)
If/when LOGANAIR start flights from SEN could they pick up the GLASGOW flights that have been stopped by STOBART/FLYBE or would costs make it a non starter

Not a chance. The yields on the are already rock bottom on LON-GLA due to competition.

ifu05596 29th Oct 2018 22:12

Gla-Man
 
Bring back Loganair on GLA-MAN. I’m working there until the end of January and looks like winter has Flybe down to 2 flights Man-Gla on Thursday/Friday and will lose my Friday night due to a 7pm flight...

Wouldn't mind the Clan points either!

BAladdy 31st Oct 2018 11:21

Loganair have today announced new year round routes from EDI to BGO, SVG and ILY for S19. They also plan to operate operate a seasonal service to GCI. Flights to BGO, GCI and GCI will be operated by a 37 seat ER3

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...from-edinburgh


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