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caaardiff 5th Nov 2018 20:05


Originally Posted by dboy (Post 10302203)
So bmi must have lost the SN contracts.

The only contract to be lost would be SN codesharing on BMI's flights. The "contract" or wet lease was ended last year when BM took on the route themselves and SN sold the flight as a codeshare. A number of benefits were then lost to customers as it was under BM's terms. This could well have resulted in a loss of demand on the route which SN want to recover. Also WX are using SSJ's for SN which SN really aren't happy with. It could be that the RJ's are returning to replace the SSJ and there's been a shuffle in where these aircraft are to be used.
If demand on the route did drop, it may be a mutual decision, given that BM have transferred some aircraft the Loganair.

22/04 6th Nov 2018 08:42

RJs are returning in the short term - SSJs gone by March of course

Bristol_Traveller 6th Nov 2018 12:18

That's a remarkable situation for SN to be in - to wind back fleet after such a big event of retiring the RJs.

I was on BRS-BRU evening flight recently and it was 45/48 pax, so almost fully loaded..

I guess if SN are going to go in the EW direction, that means consistently offering easyJet level fares, and that does mean having lower cost per passenger seat kilometer, and I guess more inventory. That could be the change driver.(although still not sure that the RJ is lower cost per seat than the Emby, but I could be wrong).

It does also give real-life data point to BM's consistent claims to be looking at larger aircraft but it never quite materialising. If they couldn't justify a larger aircraft in this situation, I'd be surprised if it is going to be driven by other routes.

Cyrano 6th Nov 2018 14:50


Originally Posted by Bristol_Traveller (Post 10303258)
That's a remarkable situation for SN to be in - to wind back fleet after such a big event of retiring the RJs.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think anyone is suggesting that SN is bringing back RJs into their own fleet, merely that they are wet-leasing CityJet RJs. Some of the press coverage I've seen talks about the SSJs being replaced by CRJs so it could well be that CityJet is providing the Avros for Summer 19 as an interim solution (since they have aircraft/crew available) until enough CRJs and crew are available.

BAladdy 6th Nov 2018 14:58

BM’s ER3 G-RJXP doesn’t seem to have operated a flight for about 6 weeks now. Anyone know if the aircraft has been WFU?.

Fly757X 6th Nov 2018 15:05


Originally Posted by BAladdy (Post 10303436)
BM’s ER3 G-RJXP doesn’t seem to have operated a flight for about 6 weeks now. Anyone know if the aircraft has been WFU?.

Maintainence in Lisbon.

Rumour_Jay 6th Nov 2018 16:32


Originally Posted by caaardiff (Post 10302621)
The only contract to be lost would be SN codesharing on BMI's flights. The "contract" or wet lease was ended last year when BM took on the route themselves and SN sold the flight as a codeshare. A number of benefits were then lost to customers as it was under BM's terms. This could well have resulted in a loss of demand on the route which SN want to recover. Also WX are using SSJ's for SN which SN really aren't happy with. It could be that the RJ's are returning to replace the SSJ and there's been a shuffle in where these aircraft are to be used.
If demand on the route did drop, it may be a mutual decision, given that BM have transferred some aircraft the Loganair.

BM also fly wet lease SN on other routes though. Last I checked BRU-SXB, BRU-HAJ, BRU-TRN.

BAladdy 6th Nov 2018 17:28


Originally Posted by Rumour_Jay (Post 10303527)
BM also fly wet lease SN on other routes though. Last I checked BRU-SXB, BRU-HAJ, BRU-TRN.

All those routes also now showing as operated by a RJ85 for S19.

22/04 6th Nov 2018 18:56


RJs are returning in the short term - SSJs gone by March of course
Sorry for any confusion WX RJs returning operating for SN.

scodaman 6th Nov 2018 20:19

BMI using a RJ85 G-JOTR from Jota for LDY-STN-LDY today.

Fly757X 6th Nov 2018 20:42


Originally Posted by scodaman (Post 10303738)
BMI using a RJ85 G-JOTR from Jota for LDY-STN-LDY today.

How Ironic considering what was mention in this thread beforehand.

Morrihell 6th Nov 2018 23:52


Originally Posted by Fly757X (Post 10303444)


Maintainence in Lisbon.

Maintenance in Alverca....not Lisbon.

MH

Fly757X 7th Nov 2018 00:01


Originally Posted by Morrihell (Post 10303912)
Maintenance in Alverca....not Lisbon.

MH

Cheers 👍🏽 Never knew it was even an airfield, will read up on it now!

Bristol_Traveller 10th Nov 2018 20:04

Just to put a little more oil on the SN RJ-85 discussion, GDS is now showing the SN operating flight as AR8, and the BM codeshare as operated by an A320.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8c429e6381.png


So which do you believe?

Rutan16 11th Nov 2018 13:28


Originally Posted by Fly757X (Post 10303917)


Cheers 👍🏽 Never knew it was even an airfield, will read up on it now!

It’s about ten miles north of Lisbon Airport on the West Bank of the Tagus .You fly over it when landing from the North and it’s home for the Portuguese Hercules transports

There are several airfields around the periphery of Lisbon; Cascais, Sintra, Alenquer and Montijo in addition to Portela (Humberto Delgado) the main airport.
Landing at Lisbon from the south is one of my favourite approaches at any European capital

scodaman 15th Nov 2018 20:00

The cancellations on the PSO tax payer funded route LDY-STN-LDY service are happening far too often and are bordering on farcical.

Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi

Fly757X 15th Nov 2018 20:18


Originally Posted by scodaman (Post 10312346)
The cancellations on the PSO tax payer funded route LDY-STN-LDY service are happening far too often and are bordering on farcical.

Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi

A/C is tech, another frame will position in tomorrow morning with the early rotation also affected.

buzz_hornet 16th Nov 2018 12:16


Originally Posted by Fly757X (Post 10312352)
A/C is tech, another frame will position in tomorrow morning with the early rotation also affected.


no new frame, XG now running 3.5hrs late

cuthere 16th Nov 2018 14:33

Five hours late now. They must be burning through their PSO money by blowing it all on compensation/hotels etc. The negative publicity in the NW isn’t helping them. The worst thing was a friend of mine was travelling on last night’s LDY-STN. All was apparently well up to half an hour before scheduled departure. Clearly they found a tech issue very last minute. Which is galling as the plane had been on the ground for the previous eight hours.

SWBKCB 17th Nov 2018 08:12


Originally Posted by scodaman (Post 10312346)
The cancellations on the PSO tax payer funded route LDY-STN-LDY service are happening far too often and are bordering on farcical.

Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi

Any data to back this up? I know FR24 isn't totally relaible, but a quick look shows about 4 days with significant disruption in the last three months


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