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Aer Lingus has a hub at Dublin Airport. Connecting the US to EUROPE and vice versa. The long haul services support the short haul services and vice versa and Dublin is where their short haul services and long services meet.
so establishing anything in Cork would seem counter to the strategy that is currently at work. As another poster described, the only conditions under which Aer Lingus would do Cork US would be if another carrier came into that market and impacted its Dublin and Shannon services greatly. Norwegian are the pioneers here, argueably they are the wrong carrier for this market. Though good job for ORK securing the route. Cork would need a flight to a well connected gateway with adequate connections to cover North America. Norwegian does not provide such a service. Belfast has the same challenge.... |
You`re spot on EI-BUD. Norwegian are cutting their winter services to Belfast, Cork and Shannon because of their precarious financial position. They cannot afford to sustain losses on routes in the winter period. A Cork-New York with a hub carrier would work well. There are 500,000 people living in Cork (city & county). Shannon has far less population yet has numerous transatlantic services.
Both Belfast and Cork have the same challenge in attracting a hub carrier for transatlantic services. They are similar sized cities though Cork is obviously more prosperous with a lot more industry, especially US firms in pharma and IT. Both cities should be able to attract a hub carrier if Shannon can. |
I think it's being generous giving Cork every person in Cork County. After all, if you are in Fermoy or Mitchelstown, you can get a direct bus to Dublin Airport and not to Cork Airport.
If the politicians in Cork, who are stressing about growth in Dublin, worried more about access to Cork Airport from Waterford, Kerry, South Tipperary and even Cork, than they did about Cork people using Dublin Airport it would serve them a lot better. |
Originally Posted by CCR
(Post 10200683)
You`re spot on EI-BUD. Norwegian are cutting their winter services to Belfast, Cork and Shannon because of their precarious financial position. They cannot afford to sustain losses on routes in the winter period. A Cork-New York with a hub carrier would work well. There are 500,000 people living in Cork (city & county). Shannon has far less population yet has numerous transatlantic services.
Both Belfast and Cork have the same challenge in attracting a hub carrier for transatlantic services. They are similar sized cities though Cork is obviously more prosperous with a lot more industry, especially US firms in pharma and IT. Both cities should be able to attract a hub carrier if Shannon can. |
How would this impact if followed through on both sides? �� Theresa May visits Irish border as Dublin threatens to BLOCK planes |
Could I suggest in relation to the discussion about relative populations in various points like Cork, Belfast and Shannon. This topic its largely irrelevant.
The USA is the source of the lions share of passengers, holiday makers and VFR in the main. let's remember Shannon has a hugely established transatlantic reputation. Tour operators in the USA use Shannon and Cork is not yet featuring heavily. This may be due to lack of frequency, and then established trading arrangements ex Dublin and Shannon. There is good business traffic opportunities in the Cork area, such could sustain a service, but as mentioned Norwegian is not in the frame for any of this... Cork, IMHO needs one of the USA large network carriers to offer a daily rotation to a large US city, ie EWR/JFK. They need to offer a wide range of connections, cater for business traffic, and stick at it until it gets well known and established and onto the program of large tour organisers.... |
Originally Posted by CCR
(Post 10200683)
You`re spot on EI-BUD. Norwegian are cutting their winter services to Belfast, Cork and Shannon because of their precarious financial position. They cannot afford to sustain losses on routes in the winter period. A Cork-New York with a hub carrier would work well. There are 500,000 people living in Cork (city & county). Shannon has far less population yet has numerous transatlantic services.
Both Belfast and Cork have the same challenge in attracting a hub carrier for transatlantic services. They are similar sized cities though Cork is obviously more prosperous with a lot more industry, especially US firms in pharma and IT. Both cities should be able to attract a hub carrier if Shannon can. I am certain that we could have one again, over and above Cork. Afterall you are forgetting the two weekly BFS-Orlando flights by Virgin Atlantic and Thomas Cook in the Summer period. Cork does not and never will have an equivalent to 747’s coming through twice a week. |
Originally Posted by Cozy F
(Post 10200935)
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With regards to the Aer Lingus Cadet Pilots programme, what is the cost for the training? €100,000? I see it is in the form of a Bond? What exactly is that? I was looking into the British Airways programme and it would seem that you have to now cover the costs of this yourself. |
Originally Posted by EI-BUD
(Post 10201046)
Could I suggest in relation to the discussion about relative populations in various points like Cork, Belfast and Shannon. This topic its largely irrelevant.
The USA is the source of the lions share of passengers, holiday makers and VFR in the main. let's remember Shannon has a hugely established transatlantic reputation. Tour operators in the USA use Shannon and Cork is not yet featuring heavily. This may be due to lack of frequency, and then established trading arrangements ex Dublin and Shannon. There is good business traffic opportunities in the Cork area, such could sustain a service, but as mentioned Norwegian is not in the frame for any of this... Cork, IMHO needs one of the USA large network carriers to offer a daily rotation to a large US city, ie EWR/JFK. They need to offer a wide range of connections, cater for business traffic, and stick at it until it gets well known and established and onto the program of large tour organisers.... |
Probably going a bit off topic here, but I think Cork's big missed opportunity was not getting Air Canada's service that is going to Shannon. The aircraft used would have been suitable. Toronto is a decent hub, with nearly 50 million passengers a year. It has pre-clearance on flights to the US. And unlike routes from Shannon to the US, the lack of pre-clearance in Cork wasn't a disadvantage.
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Originally Posted by PC767
(Post 10201242)
This is a more valid point. Point to point traffic just isn’t there and point to point traffic is Norwegian’s M.O. I note that Air Canada now have a route from Halifax, Nova Scotia to the UK. Not to BRS or any other regional airport but to LHR (using a B737 max). This allows connectivity for the Halifax traffic. Cork needs to be connected to a hub in the states in a similar way. Halifax has been connected to Heathrow for decades by Air Canada and indeed thirty years plus ago they also flew the DC8 Via Prestwick |
Profits for H1 increase from 53 to 104 million beating IB (102) and VY (-11). THey also expect to announce 2 T/A routes starting in July 2019 in the next few weeks (3 under consideration).
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...eeks-1.3585382 |
Originally Posted by EI-A330-300
(Post 10213540)
Profits for H1 increase from 53 to 104 million beating IB (102) and VY (-11). THey also expect to announce 2 T/A routes starting in July 2019 in the next few weeks (3 under consideration).
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...eeks-1.3585382 Dublin-Dallas Dublin-Montreal Cork-New York (if they have the A321NEO by then) |
...and hopefully they're not arriving/departing in the early morning peak!
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Originally Posted by CCR
(Post 10213583)
Going to hazard a guess for the 3 T/A routes under consideration..
Dublin-Dallas Dublin-Montreal Cork-New York (if they have the A321NEO by then) |
Originally Posted by EI-A330-300
(Post 10213968)
Apparently it will be A330 due to A321 delays so I would rule YUL out as a potential candidate for July 2019.
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Originally Posted by CCR
(Post 10213583)
Going to hazard a guess for the 3 T/A routes under consideration..
Dublin-Dallas Dublin-Montreal Cork-New York (if they have the A321NEO by then) |
Cork is very, very unlikely for an Aer Lingus transatlantic service, but without the A321 it is definitely not happening. My guesses are all from Dublin to Dallas Denver Las Vegas The first two are simply the largest US airports without a direct Irish service and also good for connections, whether American or United The last because I reckon they know the level of Irish business through New York, Boston, Chicago and London and can see that it would work. |
The media is quoting Willie Walsh and Stephen Kavanagh, indicating two potential routes of the 3 short listed and giving clues to the broad geographic location of the 3rd on the shortlist ...
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So if that is to be believed, it’s Pittsburgh, Montreal and a mid-west destination. I wonder if the mid-West destination is St. Louis, which was for a long time known as the largest airport in the US without a European service. That ended when WOW launched there. In which case the destinations don’t so much look like major destinations or hubs as much as an IAG attempt to stamp in WOW. |
I see AGP and FAO not showing on EI website ex-BHD next summer. Too early to show or not operating?
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Originally Posted by Alteagod
(Post 10225250)
I see AGP and FAO not showing on EI website ex-BHD next summer. Too early to show or not operating?
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Coming soon , both routes ...
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From BHD with ASL?
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EI returning to LCY
According to The Irish Times Under the leasing arrangement, which is a bit like a charter arrangemnet, CityJet will provide aircraft (namely two Avro RJ85 aircraft), crew, maintenance, and insurance to Aer Lingus for operating the route. JAS |
This is the beginning of the end of the Stobart agreement I’m pretty sure... although unrelated to this particular news. |
Re Advance Passenger Information (API) requirement travelling to Spain.
Why is it impossible on the Aer Lingus site to enter the relevant Passport information when using the CARD version? After several attempts failed over a number of days I had to email their Guest Services three times in total before they acknowledged my request. They agreed to enter the Passport CARD details for me. I've used my CARD version of the Passport before without any problem. I asked for an explanation but there has been no response. Anyone out there that may throw some light on the problem? |
MSP, YUL added next summer. |
Minneapolis/St Paul on Aer Lingus? Blimey, what’s the hook there, that’s Delta territory and no mistake. |
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What a shower...
Caught up in the Dublin chaos last night, which to my mind stemmed from Aer Lingus lack of preparation for Storm Ali. No pre-emptive cancellations, and seemingly no plan. Ryan Air on the other hand seemed far better organised. Our 7pm flight to Manchester left just before midnight. In the meantime the screens were normally wrong (at wrong point they were boarding an Oslo flight, while the screen said Manchester - that was fun), and we moved gate 7 times. They eventually stole the Malaga plane, and the Alicante crew..... No one from Aer Lingus walking the floor, absolute mayhem. |
Brand refresh coming in 2019
The airline is to unveil a "refreshed brand identity" in January which it said "will reflect the airline's modern outlook and ambition to be the leading value carrier across the North Atlantic." A spokeswoman said "the look and feel of the brand will change" - however the Aer Lingus brand will remain. JAS |
Can't wait to see this.
Always thought the change from the previous white shamrock livery to the current one was always slightly poor especially the type-face |
Fully agree! I would love to see a return to the previous colours much like Air Canada did with their recent livery redesign. Just PLEASE don't do a Lufthansa!
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Originally Posted by Paul015
(Post 10296837)
Does anyone have any information on the supposed lease of ex blue air 737-400s by Aer Lingus for next summer?, on a separate note I see Copenhagen is in the booking engine but there’s no availability. Also in terms of next summer will Philadelphia be up gauging to an a330 or will it remain 757 with Washington getting the 330. there had been rumour of a deal between EI and ASL for two B734’s but it has supposedly fallen through. Who would be operating the ex Blue Air B734? Is the rumour for a dry lease or wet lease? |
I’ve just seen a Blue Air 734 sitting on the ramp beside the ASL hangar in SNN this morning. Could this be the lease EI are going for? |
I believe those Blue Air 737-400s at SNN are just in transit before going to the US, they may well be back in time for ASL Ireland to operate for Aer Lingus though.
Originally Posted by Paul015
(Post 10296837)
Does anyone have any information on the supposed lease of ex blue air 737-400s by Aer Lingus for next summer?, on a separate note I see Copenhagen is in the booking engine but there’s no availability. Also in terms of next summer will Philadelphia be up gauging to an a330 or will it remain 757 with Washington getting the 330. |
Is Aer Lingus still following through with their A350 order? I heard also that the A330 NEO is appealing to them.
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
(Post 10315205)
Is Aer Lingus still following through with their A350 order? I heard also that the A330 NEO is appealing to them.
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