2018 pax number's
Any idea on what the passenger numbers for 2018 were?,The last quarter figure's are not uploaded to CSO yet
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Nothing official yet.
Rolling year to the end of September was 2.61m For the last two months compared to 2017, Paris (Air France), Faro, Lisbon and Luton were gained. Newcastle and Providence were lost. So I suspect it will be around the 2.8m-2.9m mark for the year. Incidentally, in a sign that the route struggels with capacity in the lean months, Air France aren't flying to Paris on Tuesday and Wednesday in January and February, while Aer Lingus aren't on Tuesday and Saturday in January. Clearly no collusion as there are no Tuesday flights at all, but two flights on Thursdays, which isn't a much busier day. |
Originally Posted by 840
(Post 10362358)
Nothing official yet.
Rolling year to the end of September was 2.61m For the last two months compared to 2017, Paris (Air France), Faro, Lisbon and Luton were gained. Newcastle and Providence were lost. So I suspect it will be around the 2.8m-2.9m mark for the year. Incidentally, in a sign that the route struggels with capacity in the lean months, Air France aren't flying to Paris on Tuesday and Wednesday in January and February, while Aer Lingus aren't on Tuesday and Saturday in January. Clearly no collusion as there are no Tuesday flights at all, but two flights on Thursdays, which isn't a much busier day. |
Sorry. There should be a 3 in all those. Not sure what happened. Those figures would imply 25%+ growth. 2.361m as the rolling figure. Not that different from yours. Possibly excludes those on private flights? And then 2.38m to 2.39m for the year. |
Originally Posted by 840
(Post 10362578)
Sorry. There should be a 3 in all those. Not sure what happened. Those figures would imply 25%+ growth. 2.361m as the rolling figure. Not that different from yours. Possibly excludes those on private flights? And then 2.38m to 2.39m for the year. |
Norwegian to close providence base - not sure how this will affect the cork service but can’t be overly positive given the route is still operating with a reduced load |
It means that all routes out of PVD with the exception of Dublin will be cancelled this year. Cork airport management would be wise to pick up the phone and talk to WOW, JetBlue, Aer Lingus (A321 NEO) and WestJet for North Atlantic services. It`s only a question of time before Norwegian goes bankrupt.
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner_01
(Post 10362661)
Norwegian to close providence base - not sure how this will affect the cork service but can’t be overly positive given the route is still operating with a reduced load Newburgh Providence Palma Tenerife rome FCO |
Rome FCO will remain as a base, but only for Dreamliners, not for 737s.
Originally Posted by CCR
(Post 10362749)
It means that all routes out of PVD with the exception of Dublin will be cancelled this year. Cork airport management would be wise to pick up the phone and talk to WOW, JetBlue, Aer Lingus (A321 NEO) and WestJet for North Atlantic services. It`s only a question of time before Norwegian goes bankrupt.
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I can only see WestJet and JetBlue from that list being at all possible and JetBlue very unlikely. Air Canada Rouge may be another airline to throw in the mix though.
The blow to Cork will be largely psychological, losing the only TA link. Passenger numbers were likely to be a total of around 1% of airport passengers next year. This will be much worse in Shannon, where Norwegian represent about 5% of total passengers. Shannon is more likely to pick up replacement carriers though. |
I think people are getting a bit excited. The main routes effected are Spain-Germany. https://e24.no/boers-og-finans/norwe...baser/24541991 The Dublin 737MAX base remains, and Norwegian have stated that there are no changes to services from Ireland. It seems an expensive set-up to have so many bases just to serve ORK/DUB/SNN and Scandinavia. It’s probably better to organise road transport to ORK/SNN or “W” patterns like DUB-PVD-ORK-PVD-DUB. EI have been doing it for years. |
I tend to agree with the suggestion that they won't be around as an airline all that much longer though. At best they will absorbed into another operation.
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Irish routes remaining https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1023693/ |
I've seen it stated in a couple of places (airport twitter account and media source) that Cork Airport handled 2.4m passengers last year. There are no official figures yet though.
That's a bit higher than the 2.38m-2.39m range that I was expecting. Now it may be that there has been rounding to two significant figures and that it is in that range. If it is actually that high, it suggests a very good November and December. |
Originally Posted by 840
(Post 10376198)
I've seen it stated in a couple of places (airport twitter account and media source) that Cork Airport handled 2.4m passengers last year. There are no official figures yet though.
That's a bit higher than the 2.38m-2.39m range that I was expecting. Now it may be that there has been rounding to two significant figures and that it is in that range. If it is actually that high, it suggests a very good November and December. |
Final figure was 2,392,821. |
Not sure I buy poor loads, suspect something else is planned either at Cork or from Shannon. |
Agreed. There has been no problem with loads to Southampton. Yields may be another matter.
I suspect the aircraft could make more money on extra rotations to Birmingham or Edinburgh, although the sector time to Edinburgh may be too long to fill whatever gap is created by Southampton. Another possibility is that with the tie-up of Stobart and FlyBe, they may transfer operation of the route to Cardiff to Stobart and sell through the EI Regional brand. |
N France now that FR have cancelled La Rochelle or Nantes or SNN-BRS would be my guesses. I know France will unlikely happen.
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Originally Posted by EI-EIDW
(Post 10394499)
Not sure I buy poor loads, suspect something else is planned either at Cork or from Shannon. Maybe there will be a transfer to flyBe. Seems a bit early for that, however. The take-over isn’t finalised yet, I don’t think? |
Freq gone to BHX mostly but not fully adding up. |
Originally Posted by Paul015
(Post 10400758)
Budapest Poznan and Malta extended to year round all 2pw |
Originally Posted by EI-EIDW
(Post 10400805)
Alicante as well. |
To be honest, I had understood when originally announced that Budapest Poznan and Malta were to be year-round.
Alicante is welcome for the Winter as Malaga and Faro had shown they could go year-round, so Alicante was an obvious next step. Palma next? Flight times suggest all will be operated from aircraft based away from Cork |
Originally Posted by 840
(Post 10400867)
To be honest, I had understood when originally announced that Budapest Poznan and Malta were to be year-round.
Alicante is welcome for the Winter as Malaga and Faro had shown they could go year-round, so Alicante was an obvious next step. Palma next? Flight times suggest all will be operated from aircraft based away from Cork |
Originally Posted by AerRyan
(Post 10402516)
Palma isn't even available from Dublin. The place dies in winter.
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Some positive news on potential New York flights to Cork in the pipeline..
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...rs-909529.html JetBlue have been saying recently that they are looking at transatlantic flights on the A321NEO so Ireland has got to be in their sights. With Dublin and Shannon having so many transatlantic airlines (Shannon actually has 7!), Cork and Belfast have got to be contenders for JetBlue. Shannon is amazingly successful on transatlantic routes with a such a small population compared to Cork. It actually has 5 airlines on the New York routes! Aer Lingus, United, Delta, BA and Norwegian. If United switched their 757 New York service to Cork, they would have no competition on a New York service compared to 4 other competitor airlines at Shannon! |
Shannon has 7 transatlantic airlines?
You can't count BA either, they don't take passengers. |
I make it six - Aer Lingus, Norwegian, United, American, Delta and Air Canada. I guess BA are needed to make that seventh.
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Ryanair announce x2 weekly Katowice service starting in October. |
Originally Posted by EI-EIDW
(Post 10418133)
Ryanair announce x2 weekly Katowice service starting in October. Looks like we might get a new ‘airline’ too. FRs Polish operations are to be rebranded as BUZZ. |
Quite impressive growth at Cork, for the soon to be second largest english speaking city in the EU!
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...10-910917.html |
Originally Posted by CCR
(Post 10419731)
for the soon to be second largest english speaking city in the EU!
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...10-910917.html |
Sat 16th March
Hi there,
Anyone know why the 06:40 Ryanair departure to Stansted was delayed on Saturday morning (16th March)? The Aer Lingus/Aer Lingus Regional departures looked to go either ontime or with minor delays. |
Originally Posted by corkfly
(Post 10424947)
Hi there,
Anyone know why the 06:40 Ryanair departure to Stansted was delayed on Saturday morning (16th March)? The Aer Lingus/Aer Lingus Regional departures looked to go either ontime or with minor delays. |
The 737 is a little less tolerant of crosswinds at takeoff than the A320.
The Aer Lingus Regional ATRs can opt to use 07/25 to takeoff to reduce crosswind component. |
Route numbers for the top 25 routes for 2018 and change since 2017
LHR 403,269 (+1,808) STN 346,997 (-6,010) AMS 155,796 (-12,354) AGP 149,800 (+12,567) LGW 122,928 (-2,498) CDG 122,609 (+31,989) FAO 118,805 (+4,170) ACE 112,270 (+6,384) MAN 106,328 (+785) BHX 77,171 (-374) LPL 72,226 (-861) PMI 52,954 (-498) EDI 50,292 (+3,122) BRS 39,209 (-1,518) WRO 37,469 (-205) TFS 34,556 (+4,227) ALC 34,483 (+2,931) GDN 31,974 (+2,834) BCN 30,816 (+2,902) LPA 30,073 (+5,488) PVD 28,070 (+11,965) GLA 25,681 (+352) SOU 24,202 (+251) REU 22,421 (+4,493) ZRH 15,865 (+8,126) |
It seems that AF/KL might be rooting passengers through CDG rather than AMS - makes sense to fly people on AF metal, rather than an EI codeshare.
PVD seems to be doing well, but the future there is uncertain, are passengers still being offered a bus transfer to Dublin? |
EI offered fewer AMS rotations last year, so that is the major cause of the drop in figures (in fact available rotations was the largest driver on every route). It's probably more that IAG would prefer passengers to route through LHR. The fare war in Dublin between EI, KL and FR is probably not helping either.
Regardless of what happens, PVD will be down this year, because it didn't operate January to March, while it only missed November and December last year. Also April's passengers will get flown out of Dublin for the time being. I think the expectation is that passengers will be bussed until late April at least. |
It looks like AF is gone for the winter.
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