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PDXCWL45 1st Sep 2018 07:44


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10238702)
Pray where are they going to get ACMI work for E195s (size) and with the 'reputation' they seem to getting!

Doesn't have to be ACMI could just dry lease them.

Expressflight 1st Sep 2018 07:49


I see tonight BE6258 was due to arrive from DUB to SEN at 22:00 but it's enroute and not due to arrive until 23:32.
What the hell was the reason this time for a 1 hr 30 min late arrival at SEN.
Quite easy to check the reason actually if you look at FR24. The aircraft spent 140 minutes on the ground at SEN during a turnround during the day, thus the delay to the last DUB of the day. Presumably a tech problem or could be crewing of course, it being difficult to find out which.

Stevek 1st Sep 2018 09:42

Rated and Non Rated EJet Captain-Dublin base | Stobart Air

mik3bravo 1st Sep 2018 10:39


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10238708)
Quite easy to check the reason actually if you look at FR24. The aircraft spent 140 minutes on the ground at SEN during a turnround during the day, thus the delay to the last DUB of the day. Presumably a tech problem or could be crewing of course, it being difficult to find out which.

Yes, you can see they had some type of issue earlier yesterday afternoon at SEN, who knows what the cause may have been but based on their history on these aircraft, there's a high probability it was another tech issue yet again.

mikkie4 1st Sep 2018 13:11

could Stobart take over the LCY ANTWEP service using VLM planes out of SEN?

tophat27dt 1st Sep 2018 13:43


Originally Posted by mikkie4 (Post 10238891)
could Stobart take over the LCY ANTWEP service using VLM planes out of SEN?

They could......

Planespeaking 1st Sep 2018 14:11


Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10238908)
They could......

But why would they? Wouldn't that mean adding another type..an F50.. to their AOC? Or have I missed something?

tophat27dt 1st Sep 2018 14:30


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10238924)

But why would they? Wouldn't that mean adding another type..an F50.. to their AOC? Or have I missed something?

........but they won't. Whilst the old FK50s seem more reliable than some E195s, they are still old.

3legs 1st Sep 2018 20:10

They could always utilise the ATRs they are capable of LCY steep approaches ...

mik3bravo 2nd Sep 2018 07:56

E195s G-FBEF, EH performed ok yesterday. Golf Charlie on the other hand had gremlins. Interested to see today's tech scorecard. Would be nice to see just one day where all three aircraft get through the days routes without a tech issue at all. Let's see how today unfolds.

As a side note, it must be completely frustrating as the P1/2 having to put up with the high frequency of tech issues on these aircraft. There's only so much cabin announced explanations you can prrovide to your pax in the rear and no doubt a few of them may be regulars on some of those routes. Interested to understand the load detetioration rates on routes where these three particular aircraft are being used. Surely there has got to be a harmful financial impact to Stobart and Flybe, if nothing else, both brands are being damaged.

I was at c2c station last week and overheard a small group of woman talking about Flybe services from SEN. In a nutshell, the general comments were along the lines of "yes, we've heard they are not reliable, been delays, so would use Easyjet or Ryanair instead". Whilst it's only one overheard conversation, I can imagine people know the Stobart / Flybe flights are famously jinxed with unusually high levels of aircraft technical faults causing delays and last minute cancelled flights.

Real shame they're associated with that bad rep now. Ultimately, it results in lost business to other airports as SEN work to expand. Yet the SEN management seem complacent enough to just muddle on through a year of this crazy brand damaging situation. Seems all very odd to me, a very Eurpean attitude of relaxed attitude - we're better than this!

SWBKCB 2nd Sep 2018 08:33


I can imagine people know the Stobart / Flybe flights are famously jinxed with unusually high levels of aircraft technical faults causing delays and last minute cancelled flights.

Real shame they're associated with that bad rep now. Ultimately, it results in lost business to other airports as SEN work to expand.
This is a common theme on these threads - think Jet2's 'old' 737's, TCX's leased Airbusses, the Primera 757, RYR Stansted meltdowns. Any evidence that these bouts of technical difficulties do actually have any long term effect?

mik3bravo 2nd Sep 2018 09:45


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10239377)
This is a common theme on these threads - think Jet2's 'old' 737's, TCX's leased Airbusses, the Primera 757, RYR Stansted meltdowns. Any evidence that these bouts of technical difficulties do actually have any long term effect?

i wouldn't say it's a perception they are having an impact, I'd say they are actually having a tangible impact. Talking from our experience, it's convenient for my business to shuttle our guys in and out of flights from SEN. However, we've dropped SEN and have our guys use City or Gatwick instead. As a business we've stopped accepting any travel requests where our staff want to fly Flybe as an example. We simply refuse to buy their services now on any route at all, that's how fed up we've become with them. We definitely don't let our staff use Stansted for reasons you've alluded too cause they've been caught up in that crap before.
We spend quite a lot on staff flight needs each month. We use BA, Cityjet, Easyjet, Swiss and Aer Lingus to help us get our staff to where we got business and meetings. We've experienced terrible reliability from the Stobart / Flybe tie-up using those E195s and we've missed meetings cause of their issues. So yes, to answer your question, it translates to brand damage. Flybe won't get a single red cent from our place on any flights on their network that's for sure, same goes to Stobart, such has been their poor performance. Plenty of good service providers out there, well capable of understanding what a reliable and trusting service actually means. Enough said, we all know how utterly sh!t that JV tie up has become. Sadly, it's got to be indirectly impacting the SEN / Stobart brand visibility in some shape, form or fashion.

tophat27dt 2nd Sep 2018 13:06

EF flew to Cologne on time today, but then took off one hour late on the return leg .Needed kick starting?

irishlad06 2nd Sep 2018 14:03


Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10239536)
EF flew to Cologne on time today, but then took off one hour late on the return leg .Needed kick starting?

this doesn’t mean it was tech.

Could be any number of things that have delayed it. The biggest and most common reason being ATC slots.

mik3bravo 2nd Sep 2018 14:06

EI-GGC APU value issues yesterday, main ignition sequence could not be performed.

Kick start you say, wonder was it a similar tech vault to Golf Charlie yesterday.

tophat27dt 2nd Sep 2018 15:33


Originally Posted by irishlad06 (Post 10239562)


this doesn’t mean it was tech.

Could be any number of things that have delayed it. The biggest and most common reason being ATC slots.

I am aware of that, but when I left work three hours ago there were no ATC flow control delays through Brussels or London TMAs.

mik3bravo 2nd Sep 2018 19:13

Ladies & Gentlemen, seems FlyBE / Stobart going to hit all the numbers this year, as in the number of times those E195s have gone tech.

Echo Foxtrot was due from SEN to DUB however, unsurprisingly it's busted, knackered, again. So the DUB to SEN was due to depart at 20:40, it's delayed until 21:55 departure. Now, of course that assumes the piece of junk makes it out of DUB. FlyBE / Stobart have form cancelling this specific graveyard DUB to SEN Sunday night flight as the crew kick back in a local hotel whilst pax try to organise rebooking on any other airlines into London for tomorrow morning's first flights out in order to make work commitments.

But hey, that's all part of the course if you fly FlyBE/ Stobart - 'we'll get you from A to B at some point if our planes don't breakdown.

Looking forward to their AGM's, there'll be twist at the next ones!

GiveMeABreak 2nd Sep 2018 21:57

You was too quick to put the boot in again. Aircraft arrived back at SEN just over an hour late. It's done better than the EZY BCN. Suggest you get a life!

mik3bravo 2nd Sep 2018 22:43

Seems some folk here are uber sensitive snowflakes when it comes to pointing out bad services. Play the ball, not the man.

Late, is late.

compton3bravo 3rd Sep 2018 06:36

I say steady on chaps.


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