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Skipness One Foxtrot 4th Oct 2018 21:53

All very predictable, there will be some delay and the plans will be tweaked. There’s nothing new or unexpected here.

Btw there’s a ‘t’ in East Anglia which, if you lived there and not Greater Manchester, you’d have noticed bagso, er I mean navpi.

Trinity 09L 5th Oct 2018 11:12

Heathrow are now offering an additional 25,000 ATM (not cash machines) by introducing Independent Parallel Approaches (IPA - not beer) before R3, and maybe for R3 as well.
These approaches using PBN will swing in at 8 miles on the final approach path creating new areas of noise and obviously a more sporty approach for passengers.
Awaiting incoming spelling and grammar check.

Fairdealfrank 5th Oct 2018 21:18


Heathrow are now offering an additional 25,000 ATM (not cash machines) by introducing Independent Parallel Approaches (IPA - not beer) before R3, and maybe for R3 as well.
These approaches using PBN will swing in at 8 miles on the final approach path creating new areas of noise and obviously a more sporty approach for passengers.
Awaiting incoming spelling and grammar check.

Is this the "brexit boost" that was being mooted about a year or two ago by Heathrow management? Works out at approximately two extra landings and takeoffs/hour. How are the slots allocated, is it the usual 50% for incumbents and 50% for new carriers?

118.70 5th Oct 2018 21:47

https://www.heathrow.com/file_source...e_Sep_2018.pdf

says that the IPA designs will join the approach path less than 8 nm from touchdown

and that the designs will be superseded by the airspace flightpaths for a 3 runway airport.

DaveReidUK 6th Oct 2018 09:36


Originally Posted by Fairdealfrank (Post 10266939)
Is this the "brexit boost" that was being mooted about a year or two ago by Heathrow management?

Yes, IPAs were one of the measures that were going to facilitate the proposed increase in capacity that Heathrow announced in September 2016: Heathrow’s Brexit Boost to help make Britain stronger and fairer - faster.

The increased capacity was going to be accompanied by a 6½ hour night flight ban, but I haven't seen any mention of that as part of the recent proposal.


Works out at approximately two extra landings and takeoffs/hour. How are the slots allocated, is it the usual 50% for incumbents and 50% for new carriers?
The announcement was in terms of routes, not carriers, and included ring-fencing some slots for additional domestic connectivity (assuming carriers could be found willing to operate them, which is by no means certain).

DaveReidUK 6th Oct 2018 10:11


Originally Posted by 118.70 (Post 10266958)
says that the IPA designs will join the approach path less than 8 nm from touchdown

Indeed.

The concern among community groups, as I understand it, is that in order to keep traffic landing on the departure runway clear of ATC-vectored traffic heading for the arrival runway for as long as possible, the former will follow fixed RNAV routings that will overfly areas that don't currently get arriving traffic overhead.

In addition, because they are RNAV routes, they will be flown more consistently (to RNP 0.15) so that the effect will be to concentrate traffic over the same path on the ground (similar to the effect noted in recent RNAV departure trials) rather than in the wider, less concentrated swathe that ATC-vectored inbounds (or outbounds on a SID/NPR) fly.

southside bobby 6th Oct 2018 13:16

John McDonnell has called for direct action against Heathrow expansion if democratic & legal processes fail.

Fairdealfrank 6th Oct 2018 13:37


John McDonnell has called for direct action against Heathrow expansion if democratic & legal processes fail.
He's going to lie down in front of the bulldozers instead of Boris?

A recent survey (Jul 2018) shows that 54% of his constituency (Hayes and Harlington, much of which is on the airport) support expansion with 9% against.

Isn't this taking "out of touch" to a whole new level?

southside bobby 6th Oct 2018 13:53

Part of a national agenda concerning "emissions".

DaveReidUK 6th Oct 2018 15:52


Originally Posted by Fairdealfrank (Post 10267369)
A recent survey (Jul 2018) shows that 54% of his constituency (Hayes and Harlington, much of which is on the airport) support expansion with 9% against.

Isn't this taking "out of touch" to a whole new level?

It certainly would be, if those results were accurate. But the actual results for H&H were:

Strongly support expansion: 28%
Somewhat support expansion: 22%
Neutral: 18%
Somewhat oppose expansion: 7%
Strongly oppose expansion: 24%
Don't know: 1%

Populus poll on behalf of Heathrow

DaveReidUK 9th Oct 2018 11:43

Heathrow fined by ICO for data breach
 
The media, including BBT (link below) and the BBC, are reporting that LHR has been fined £120,000 by the ICO after an employee lost a USB drive, which was subsequently found by a member of the public.

The ICO confirmed that among the files on the stick were details of up to 50 HAL aviation security personnel, but would not comment on reports that it also contained "national security details such as a timetable of patrols that was used to guard the airport against terror attacks and the exact route the Queen took when using the airport".

Heathrow said that, following the breach, changes had been made including a company-wide information security training programme.

Heathrow fined for lost USB stick data breach

DaveReidUK 9th Oct 2018 13:38

Heathrow: the world's most connected airport
 
Heathrow has once again come top in OAG's annual analysis of the world's most internationally connected airports.

The top ten are:

1 LHR
2 ORD
3 FRA
4 AMS
5 YYZ
6 LAX
7 ATL
8 SIN
9 CDG
10 CGK

OAG Megahubs International Index 2018

Plane.Silly 10th Oct 2018 07:03


The top ten are:

1 LHR
2 ORD
3 FRA
4 AMS
5 YYZ
6 LAX
7 ATL
8 SIN
9 CDG
10 CGK
Obviously LHR makes the most sense, but surprised by the omission of the Middle east Hubs, or even IST, since Turkish Airlines serves the most countries
Also if the list is about international connectivity, why are ORD and ATL on the list?, aren't they predominently US domestic routes?

DaveReidUK 10th Oct 2018 07:37


Originally Posted by Plane.Silly (Post 10270120)
Obviously LHR makes the most sense, but surprised by the omission of the Middle east Hubs, or even IST, since Turkish Airlines serves the most countries
Also if the list is about international connectivity, why are ORD and ATL on the list?, aren't they predominently US domestic routes?

See the link in my post, which explains the methodology.

IST is 17th, DXB is 18th.

MAJP 17th Oct 2018 08:01

British Airways to Bastia (Corsica) from 25/05/19 to 28/09/19 operated with A320, once a week

Schedule:

BA586 LHR 07:40-11:00 BIA 320 6
BA587 BIA 11:50-13:10 LHR 320 6

Aksai Oiler 17th Oct 2018 14:35

BIA
 
MAlso

London Heathrow – Preveza 26MAY19 – 29SEP19 2 weekly
BA674 LHR0820 – 1345PVK 320 3
BA674 LHR1125 – 1650PVK 320 7

BA681 PVK1445 – 1610LHR 320 3
BA681 PVK1745 – 1910LHR 320 7

Would be nice to see other routes such as XRY or SVQ from LHR. SVQ seems to do well from LGW,

PVK and BIA, are these not ex-charters converted to schedules?

DaveReidUK 17th Oct 2018 15:59


Originally Posted by Aksai Oiler (Post 10285500)
PVK and BIA, are these not ex-charters converted to schedules?

BA have operated a weekly LHR/Preveza and LHR/Bastia service from late May to September in each of the last few years. Up to last year, they had BA9xxxC (i.e. charter) flight numbers.

This year they changed to BA8626/7 and BA8638/9, respectively.

Lon12 17th Oct 2018 16:30


Originally Posted by Aksai Oiler (Post 10285500)
MAlso

London Heathrow – Preveza 26MAY19 – 29SEP19 2 weekly
BA674 LHR0820 – 1345PVK 320 3
BA674 LHR1125 – 1650PVK 320 7

BA681 PVK1445 – 1610LHR 320 3
BA681 PVK1745 – 1910LHR 320 7

Would be nice to see other routes such as XRY or SVQ from LHR. SVQ seems to do well from LGW,

PVK and BIA, are these not ex-charters converted to schedules?

Valencia is another good option.

4 daily Gatwick services in summer (EZY + BA) also 12w to STN & LTN.

80 weekly flights from/to London (0 to/from LHR)

Lon12 24th Oct 2018 14:26

😂 Valencia just announced today with 9 weekly

toledoashley 24th Oct 2018 18:03


Originally Posted by Lon12 (Post 10291307)
😂 Valencia just announced today with 9 weekly

Bilbao (Alex Cruz’s home city) is moving to Gatwick though, along with Almeria and Menorca.


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