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Newmarket Holidays have axed all their one off charters UK wide after this season

Does that mean they are going to buy space on scheduled flights?

I believe so yes, they used KLM for some of this years, I think they're just going to keep doing that. The impression I got is sourcing and chartering aircraft is too hard/expensive

Pity another loss of passengers.I know not many but good advertising if nothing else?
Wonder what that means for Omega Holidays who also operate from DTV?

and by all accounts phase two of said Peel plans are to be announced imminently :ok:

Maybe a response from FlyBe/Eastern to Loganair coming in? Have to admit, struggling to see which business type routes could be viable, apart from a possible London City flight?

Hi guys..change of subject..any dates on the Skylive air show next year yet?

Don't know the answer to your Skylive query, but I have a change of subject of my own - marketing, something that historically the airport has never got right, in the last couple of weeks I've heard KLM advertise Newcastle-Amsterdam on two local stations that have recently favoured Durham-Amsterdam, and can somebody please point me in the direction of some Loganair advertising because I'm drawing a blank, I noted some on the Northern Echo website when it was first announced but that seems to have gone :confused:

Wonder if it's because it wouldn't be cost effective?
My thought is there is very little " new" point to point traffic out there and most of the guys( and girls)because of the oil industry mainly served would already know about the new service?
Probably also advertised in the oil industry circles?

Just looking at the great DTV movements web site...Are there any Grouse left on the Yorkshire moors!!!!????

What caused the new start on the thread? See we are back to page 1.

Highwide I was going to suggest it is just Consort doing as they promised, as there has been a marked increase even ignoring the grouse shooters...but curiously I noted swissport handling a couple of todays corporate flights

Do Consort advertise their services? Must say I haven't seen any? Don't suppose they have much say in where the Grouse aircraft go..do the aircraft not follow the Grouse?!!

Figures updated on DTV website..still a downward trend in all areas including movements...wonder when it will bottom out? Nearly as predicted earlier in the year down to 1970 levels.What is more worrying,this is on the back of Most airports reporting record figures?

I'd imagine due to size of the thread? A whole load of new threads have been created so nothing in particular due to DTV.

I'd also like to point out I'm not the thread starter, they must have nipped the old thread off just above one of my posts

Minor news, but the last Fokker flights by KLM will occur on the 28 October. From then on capacity will increase on this route as the smallest aircraft KLM posses is an Embraer 175 with 88 seats. It's a slightly quicker aircraft and slightly more comfortable. But there is less storage space in the cabin for bags. So if your flight is full you will find that some cabin bags will have to be loaded into the holds. But any bags so loaded will no longer be at the foot of the stairs in AMS. They will instead go to the baggage carousel at your final destination.

Loganair publicity

Loganair sign Boro shirt deal as daily flight times from Durham Tees Valley Airport confirmed - Gazette Live

I bet the Newcastle passengers wish DTVA would take Newcastle diversions like the olden days. Bus from Edinburgh or Prestwick must have been a pain.

Suppose it must also be the choice of the airline.

Generally MME is a good place to divert to, if they are open. Assuming they are you also best have a contract in advance to stop yourself paying over the odds for handling. But if you do get in they are pretty good at dealing with the unusual.

Presumably why the NCL divs went to places they currently operate from?

copied from NCL thread (Maybe should be here..):

Newcastle had also taken in at least two Ryanair Diversions destined for Liverpool and one Jet 2 scheduled to Leeds Bradford due to fog at those airports earlier.
Wonder if DTV was equipped (Fire/Emergency/Border staff etc...) to take 737s and logistics for onward transition of passengers at the times all this played out?

Both the inbound Eastern Jetstream 41 from ABZ and KLM Fokker 70 from AMS have diverted to NCL this evening due to Fog at MME.

Unfortunately it's not pre-2000 anymore and diversions go to the nearest airport where they have an operational presence, and not the nearest airport geographically (except in emergencies of course)

I may be wrong but I'm sure airlines generally pre plan their diversions..usually as stated to other bases where they operate from.Hence the fuel uplift is pre arranged before departure to take diversion into account?

DTV is at a major disadvantage in that they have limited facilities exacerbated by frequent ATC closures,limited AFS cover(although not being notamned at moment?) and airport opening hours. Probably taking all into account not the best planned diversion airport?

Airlines pre-plan their diversions for the event of an emergency, but if they are in a position to choose, then they will.

DTV is at a minor disadvantage at the moment, we do not have limited facilities overall, we have temporary ATC closures whilst a new radar controller is trained up, something which takes time due to the intricate nature of the role, and despite June being quoted fire cover is still set to go up to CAT6. Opening hours are sufficient.

Whenever the weather looks a bit iffy you generally put on more fuel and at the same time ask your operations department where they would prefer you to end up, before you depart. But when it comes time to divert, reality sometimes gets in the way. Like a couple of 747 diversions using all the local buses, ramps being fuel due to previous diversions etc. So generally what happens is if you don't have direct contact with your company in the air (ACARS, satellite phone etc.) you call your handling agent and get them to call your company in your behalf. But with an emergency you go wherever you need to and tell your company after the event, if they don't already know.

N707ZS(Post 21) Diverted Passengers wishing the aircraft would go to DTV ,,Hits a nerve as Probably 50% of the aforementioned passengers are from Teesside!!! And that's what makes PEEL s running of the airport a disgrace!

Unless of course you blinkered guys can yet again come up with your rise tinted glass views on how well and promising the future looks??

I fly for an airline out of Newcastle so thought I'd give an insight into why MME is no longer used as a diversion.

When planning our flights, we have a fuel alternate and several commercial alternates. The fuel alternate is primarily used to allow us to depart with a lower fuel figure (commercial realities!). A commercial alternate will be chosen if there is a strong likelihood of a diversion It will be typically a base or company destination as the facilities are already in place to help on the ground.
We used to plan MME as a Fuel diversion because it required less fuel than EDI. I've also diverted into MME twice when NCL was closed (snow).

Unfortunately, due to the variable Fire Fighting Cover and limited opening hours, MME doesn't even appear in the company lists as a diversion airfield anymore. My last diversion (due to a thunderstorm) was into LBA.

Will this ever change?? The words chicken and Egg come to mind!

It's such a shame to see MME as it is - I did my PPL, instructing and some biz jet stuff there before moving north.

Highwide, shut up and come back when you've got some pubes. Whilst there may be a tiny tiny bit of truth to your post, I've never seen such over-exaggerated baloney in all my life! In fact, Peels performance of late has been outstanding, most days are busy (by our standards anyway), Consort are truly delivering the goods in the bizjet department even excluding the grouse hunters, they're doing a cracking job on the terminal and big things are known to be coming, but hey, no doubt you equally-blinkered, tinted glasses wearing spammers will come up with further tripe on how doomed the future looks...:rolleyes:

Flyit Pointit Sortit - an insightful post. As mentioned the fire category is going back up, and opening hours are good enough to (potentially) capture 90% of diversion traffic. I find it very hard to believe about MME not appearing in company lists...if there was to be a mishap and it's found it could have been avoided because an aircraft travelled further than needed because MME wasn't listed, the airline would be crucified

Seriously.... :ugh:

For info, on commercial aircraft, an en-route alternate needs to be within 1 hour flight time. On the A319, that is 380 miles. A destination alternate has no limit as long as you have enough fuel to get there, hold and make an approach.

PS. Airlines won't be crucified. It is a Captains decision. Currently I could only divert to MME in an emergency such as if I was on fire or about to run out of fuel.

I stand corrected on that particular aspect of diversions

Robert..don't get personal!! The facts as officially reported and stated...movements are down and passengers are down consistently.What are PEEL doing to arrest this?
I don't think a handling agent generates traffic..or very little.They come because they want to.DTV has always been at its busiest for biz traffic between August and November..it's an historic fact.
It's called realism,sorry.

Highwide if you think that's me getting personal you don't want to see me genuinely get personal! Just as I was starting to build a bit of respect towards you, you go and drop an inflammatory/derogatory post that requires an aggressive response.

Yes the statistics show movements and passengers are down, but my superiors at the airport are unconcerned (unconcerned is the wrong word, but I'm struggling to think up a more appropriate alternative right now) because they have identified the reasons and are actively addressing them. Furthermore, the team behind the movements website come across as unconcerned in their own report, and I trust all of these experts and professionals a damn sight more than I trust a post on pprune!!

Movements will be up for August and September, I don't think anyone can doubt that. FBO handling agents can attract traffic, I recall Weston stealing business from both Manchester and Stansted before they became complacent and to repeat myself there has been growth in business aviation both including and excluding hunting movements since Consort took over

Ouch!

Not sure what response if any ,there should be.

I stick to official CAA statistics.
I'm sure I'm not the only one awaiting the turning of the corner.As yet it's not there?
The only positive news this year on the airline front is Loganair..I'm sure we all await to see what positive effect it has.
You mentioned a while ago part 2 of Peels master plan will be announced soon..again looking forward to the announcement and again the positive effect it has.
Finally also looking forward to your airport superiors coming forward with positive news?

Don't think anything to upset you too much there?

Be interesting to see the numbers when they're published, but while appreciating that Peel are looking to build a broad base of business, how much do biz jets add to the bottom line?

Highwide...that's a bit more like it!

SWBKCB, a few grand per movement depending on length of stay

Thanks RR. Will try my best to be more positive..honest..but reserve the right to question!!

You will be pleased to hear no internet connection for the next week,so all will be quiet from me...and no..PEEL aren't my broadband provider(joke) !

Slipping man! You missed the planning application for houses on the old airport entrance road on the military hospital site!

On the aircraft side nice to see the shiny new Eastern ATR-72 arrive.