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TSR2 9th Jul 2019 18:23

I note that passenger numbers increased in 2018, halting an 11 year decline. At 142,000 it is still only one third of the passengers through Blackpool when they shut-up shop.

sixchannel 9th Jul 2019 18:37


Originally Posted by N707ZS (Post 10514145)
Is it viable to promote a train and bus service which only takes revenue away from your car park.

Wouldnt that be true then for the other 'International' airports with direct rail connections, bus services and (usually full) car parks?

sixchannel 9th Jul 2019 18:45


Originally Posted by TSR2 (Post 10514162)
I note that passenger numbers increased in 2018, halting an 11 year decline. At 142,000 it is still only one third of the passengers through Blackpool when they shut-up shop.

Wasnt the issue that Blackpool runway at 1869 mtrs was OK for Jet2's 737-300s but unable to take the coming -800s etc so by 2014 had no B&S flights?

pug 9th Jul 2019 18:54


Originally Posted by sixchannel (Post 10514179)
Wasnt the issue that Blackpool runway at 1869 mtrs was OK for Jet2's 737-300s but unable to take the coming -800s etc so by 2014 had no B&S flights?

No, Jet2 wanted to stay. The problem with BLK was its owner who had a history of building things like houses and industrial estates. Not so different from a certain other airport operator which owned MME until recently.

tigertanaka 9th Jul 2019 18:59


Originally Posted by N707ZS (Post 10514145)
Is it viable to promote a train and bus service which only takes revenue away from your car park.

I think this is an excellent point. There is no money to be made from planes landing in the short term so the cash will have to come from parking, taxis and retail, especially as the £6 fee will be going.

If you live in Darlington, taxis are £10 to the airport and if you live further afield, a taxi to MME will still be cheaper than getting one to NCL. A shuttle bus service to Stockton/Middlesbrough aligned with leisure flight departures & arrivals at £5 per person would possibly be interesting but the airport needs to retain the income on such a service.

In 2006, when the airport was at it's peak in terms of passenger numbers, only 85 people used the railway station in the whole year! Let's worry about the station when we get back to 1m pax annually.

jetstar.8 9th Jul 2019 19:32


Originally Posted by N707ZS (Post 10514145)
Is it viable to promote a train and bus service which only takes revenue away from your car park.

There was a electric shuttle bus which ran between the station and terminal I think it was in the 70s

SWBKCB 9th Jul 2019 20:05


The problem with BLK was its owner who had a history of building things like houses and industrial estates.
...and couldn't make money on what Jet2 was willing to pay.

The problem with small airports like MME, BLK etc is how to attract that critical mass of pax that will support shops, public transport etc before you start making money from them.

N707ZS 9th Jul 2019 21:29

The electric shuttle bus used to run before the days of low cost it was replaced by a service bus for a short while. Then the green fence with the locked gates appeared to make it difficult to park anywhere other than the official carpark. A subsidised bus did run between Darlington Station and the airport for a period, no idea who paid but bet it wasn't Peel.

There is a service bus again to Darlington, it doesn't reach the terminal and again the times are poor, last bus something like 4.30pm.

sixchannel 10th Jul 2019 07:15


Originally Posted by N707ZS (Post 10514352)
The electric shuttle bus used to run before the days of low cost it was replaced by a service bus for a short while. Then the green fence with the locked gates appeared to make it difficult to park anywhere other than the official carpark. A subsidised bus did run between Darlington Station and the airport for a period, no idea who paid but bet it wasn't Peel.

There is a service bus again to Darlington, it doesn't reach the terminal and again the times are poor, last bus something like 4.30pm.

Some joined up thinking required?

highwideandugly 10th Jul 2019 09:51

Height of the summer season almost and only 3 scheduled departures today..think it’s more than trains ,shuttles and buses that are needed?

Amazing, Newly opened Carlisle has the same amount of schedules but one more destination!

Is it just me or were we expecting a little more dynamic news than a jewellery shop opening in the terminal?

Robert-Ryan 10th Jul 2019 10:24

That's the trouble people expect an overnight fix, both the Mayor and Stobart said it would take time. At the end of the day the only potential airline in the UK is Virgin Connect when they start up later in the year, even then they'll probably get smaller before they get bigger due to the poor health of Flybe

sixchannel 10th Jul 2019 11:24


Originally Posted by highwideandugly (Post 10514765)
Height of the summer season almost and only 3 scheduled departures today..think it’s more than trains ,shuttles and buses that are needed?

Amazing, Newly opened Carlisle has the same amount of schedules but one more destination!

Is it just me or were we expecting a little more dynamic news than a jewellery shop opening in the terminal?

"Baby steps" ?

SWBKCB 10th Jul 2019 11:32

Yes, but the steps need to be in the right direction. For example, is the fate of the train station the key issue facing the airport or an unnecessary (albeit publicity generating) diversion of resource?

sixchannel 10th Jul 2019 11:47


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10514878)
Yes, but the steps need to be in the right direction. For example, is the fate of the train station the key issue facing the airport or an unnecessary (albeit publicity generating) diversion of resource?

An unnecessary diversion courtesy of the Meeja.
EMA and LTN (just to quote 2 off the top) do quite nicely with railway stations that are not on the premises. But I would suspect that travellers to most airports do not go by rail. Too limited a service - EMAs shuttle to Parkway for instance only operates 9-5, no use at all for stupid o'clock Arrivals.

No-More-Bullschit 10th Jul 2019 14:15

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-48937493


Originally Posted by Ben Houchen
"We are looking at options on how to upgrade the current station - including shuttles and horizontal escalators - to link it more effectively with the terminal."

He can't be serious? I'd pay enough to cover the cost just to see that in action!

SWBKCB 10th Jul 2019 14:57

He needs to have word with Manchester - they've got some he could have cheap...

N707ZS 10th Jul 2019 17:13


Originally Posted by highwideandugly (Post 10514765)
Is it just me or were we expecting a little more dynamic news than a jewellery shop opening in the terminal?

We were hoping for Ramsdens Fish and Chips.

sixchannel 11th Jul 2019 08:05


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10515079)
He needs to have word with Manchester - they've got some he could have cheap...

Yeah, but they're not working either. :-)

Scottie Dog 11th Jul 2019 08:08


Originally Posted by sixchannel (Post 10515684)
Yeah, but they're not working either. :-)

That's a bit unfair - they do work (sometimes) 😥

sixchannel 11th Jul 2019 08:10


Originally Posted by N707ZS (Post 10515187)
We were hoping for Ramsdens Fish and Chips.

Maybe if TIA manages to attract a loco or B&S flights, it , or summat similar, might be a Do'er.
BTW - as one who used the now-closed Hotel a lot in the 80s when traipsing back and forth to the Continong, are there 'plans' to do something with it?


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