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Good analysis and shows that both airports can sustain similar services and Galway aside serve largely different catchment areas - interesting to see if ORK-BRS been impacted by the new SNN service |
Expectations for the coming winter season is actually some growth, but rather minor. Expect an average of 1%.
These are the quiet months, while the summer services are in full swing announcements and tumours disappear. Nice to see the airport busy however. |
I don't know if SNN-BRS will have had much of an impact on ORK-BRS.
It's now easier to get to DUB from Cork or Limerick than it is to get to SNN or ORK respectively considering the frequency of bus services and the much better roads to Dublin (and especially because there's no easy way to bypass Cork on the way from Limerick to Cork Airport). Catchment competition between the two airports is largely confined to North Cork and Kerry nowadays. From 2016 to 2017, there was growth of 27K passengers on DUB-BRS, so it won't be possible to tell any impact from SNN-BRS from general slowdown on UK growth in Dublin. The numbers will just get lost. |
Originally Posted by Dreamliner_01
(Post 10193789)
If those load factors don’t improve dramatically on Bristol and Liverpool they certainly won’t last long - think Bristol is sustainable but Liverpool was always a challenge given capacity on Manchester and a well established service up the road in Knock - probably shows why they haven’t extended them for winter Think the biggest problem with Liverpool is the timings. No use to most people. Who wants to get there at 23.20 on a Saturday evening and come home Monday or Wednesday, Makes no sense. You might do it with the same times on a Friday |
Agree totally the traffic in knock from my limited use of the service during winter was heavily football based as timings are good on both Friday and Saturday - the Shannon timing won’t cater for little if any football traffic between August and October |
What’s up with the agusta westland 139 that has flown from snn to new jersey in 7 hours? Surely this is a glitch? |
Norwegian S19
SNN-SWF 5x weekly SNN-PVD remains at 4x weekly |
Originally Posted by snn20
(Post 10201450)
Norwegian S19
SNN-SWF 5x weekly SNN-PVD remains at 4x weekly Good boost in seats. Hope the winter season work well. |
Won't be for another few months, generally route announcements are around late September- November.
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Provisional CAA stats for June are out
2017 2018 % London LHR - 24,206 24,162 0 London STN - -------- ------- - (provisional) London LGW - --------- -------- - (provisional) Manchester - 5,839 6,983 +20 Birmingham - 3,281 3,008 -8 Edinburgh - 2,826 2,888 +2 Bristol - -------- --------- - Liverpool - ------- 2,273 NEW LPL was new for June 2018, 26 flights operated with 4,914 seats on offer. This would represent a LF of 46.3%(not surprising given flight times, cant see this route returning next year unless flight times are changed) . MAN was upped to 6x weekly with 9,450 seats for June representing a LF of 73.9% |
CAA UK stats for July are out (provisional)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmf...06483838d3.png |
Poor loads for Liverpool in the second busiest month of the year 64% load factor - Bristol faired better 79% which is good considering the days of the week it operating |
Nothing exciting, but I hear some possible good news coming on Wednesday.
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Originally Posted by AerRyan
(Post 10243921)
Nothing exciting, but I hear some possible good news coming on Wednesday.
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No. PHL is gauging up to an A330 so two b757 remain in SNN and two remain in DUB. Deliveries of A321NEO LR delayed until July/August when YUL route commences. |
Originally Posted by AerRyan
(Post 10243921)
Nothing exciting, but I hear some possible good news coming on Wednesday.
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Malaga and Faro dropped for Summer 19 it appears |
Sun routes from Shannon appear to be dropped for Summer 19. Dub/BHD/CORK schedules all loaded. |
Originally Posted by Northoltway
(Post 10250932)
Malaga and Faro dropped for Summer 19 it appears |
Originally Posted by Northoltway
(Post 10251053)
Sun routes from Shannon appear to be dropped for Summer 19. Dub/BHD/CORK schedules all loaded. They have SNN-ACE dates loaded but marked as sold out so wonder if there's an additional unit. |
Manchester at 5pw next Summer, the median value of this summer (ran at 4pw and then 6pw). Liverpool and Bristol are 'under review' normally meaning bye bye. Aer Lingus have not loaded sun routes, however there are rumours that EI are trying to locate a number of 737-400's from ASL, one of which would be based at SNN as an additional aircraft to operate a variety of sun routes. This is all subject to aircraft availability.
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Ryanair adding Ibiza, 2pw
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Hearing Bristol and Liverpool both gone for next summer - not on sale and looks like everything else pretty much loaded - Shame as used the Bristol service couple of times was handy but loads were around 60-65% both times in peak season - in fairness timings and days of week were rubbish |
Agree paul I wonder is the Ibiza service in place of Bristol / Liverpool - I can’t see Aer Lingus pulling two routes like this - would be huge blow to lose that much capacity for 2019 and take away all the positives from recent announcements - hard to see how Knock can make Liverpool and Bristol work the last number of years and Shannon can’t |
Bristol and Liverpool seats were flogged at cheap prices to try and fill seats, not exactly profitable |
The frequency and timings at Cork for the SNN service are also poor, fares can be staggeringly cheap. How its lasted this long I don't understand. I suppose the 737-800 is just too big to be optimal for routes from Irish regional airports to UK regional airports.
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I understand what you are saying considering that, assuming these are gone, the only route operated from Munster to a UK airport outside London in a 737/A320 will be Cork's Liverpool service, which has itself been scaled back in recent years.
But that opens the question of what Knock is doing right. Despite a more limited catchment and not being near Ireland's big tourist draws around Kerry and Clare, it will still have three 737 operated UK regional services. |
BRS and LPL have worked from SNN before...Poor timings coupled with how late the flights were put on sale didnt help one bit.
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Originally Posted by 840
(Post 10271952)
But that opens the question of what Knock is doing right. Despite a more limited catchment and not being near Ireland's big tourist draws around Kerry and Clare, it will still have three 737 operated UK regional services.
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There’s no doubt knock benefits from a good schedule which in case of Liverpool is perfectly timed for football traffic - the west / north west of Ireland has a major diaspora element in the north of England which is s distinct advantage over Shannon ( note knock also has a daily Manchester service with Flybe) - Bristol service has a good leisure timed schedule and does well during summer season - interesting to see how does during winter would think marginal - at same time shame to see them lost at Shannon should be plenty big enough market for both airports to sustain services |
Faro &Malaga both now bookable for S19 with AL. |
That’s positive hopefully Bristol and Liverpool follow with Ryanair 👍 |
Originally Posted by Dreamliner_01
(Post 10287432)
That’s positive hopefully Bristol and Liverpool follow with Ryanair 👍 To be honest it seems like Ryanair never had an interest in seriously running these services, more like they did it to avail of cheaper fees at Shannon across the board. |
New routes were only what fell off the table with the new 5 year deal with SNN management. Same as the one in 2013 which resulted in all of those “new” routes at the time being discontinued eventually |
Good news but terrible schedule flight on Saturday night at 21:50! No chance for a weekend break even !! |
EMA 2x weekly Monday and Friday beginning 5th April |
Originally Posted by snn20
(Post 10315279)
EMA 2x weekly Monday and Friday beginning 5th April |
21:09 on Friday nights and departs at 06:40 on a Monday from EMA / crazy looking schedule but nice to get a new route |
Originally Posted by Paul015
(Post 10345356)
Looks like the Helvetic to Zurich is gone for 2019. I wonder is it due to the increase on the Swiss cork-Geneva route. |
It was all agency booking, next to nobody booked the flight only.
Perhaps it had some input, but in reality it doesn't matter much. I wouldn't put much thought into why exactly it's no longer available. |
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