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I posted that in the Dublin thread rather than the Shannon one by accident and deleted it from there. A 767 into Dublin is no problem and with other operators on the route the choice of operator isn't as vital. Is that going to be the only twin aisle operating into Shannon or are Delta still using a 767?

Delta currently use a 767, and over the previous 2 years a 767 was used on BOS.


Old thread: http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...3-shannon.html

Sadly, latest info is that the announcement is delayed for a day or two. Should hear by the middle of the week.

Ryanair have just announced a new route from Shannon Airport to Barcelona Reus from March 2018.

4x weekly SNN-YYZ, 737MAX

Fairly high frequency, seasonal as it is.

Shannon Airport has today welcomed the announcement by Air Canada of a new direct service from Shannon to Toronto operating from June to October 2018. The service will operate four days a week on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays.

So if it's the 737 Max, it's Air Canada themselves rather than Rouge?

Yes it's Air Canada mainline with a full Business/Economy cabin.

Air Canada have released their seat map for the B737-8 MAX. They'll be in 16/153 configuration with 30" pitch in economy and 38" pitch in business. For comparison, United's B752s are in the same configuration, albeit with full flat beds in business. The good news is that there will be personal TVs and wifi on board.

It's pretty much a LCC seat with legacy carrier service. Not the worst outcome really.

Air Canada 737 MAX 8 Seatmaps Revealed - One Mile at a Time

Only about 40 Pax on the A319 from FRA on Saturday with 2 in business. All Germans, 1 American and 1 Irish on board.

Very late in the year. Still poorly performing.

Why are Lufthansa using the A319? The E190 or CRJ900 would be a much better fit for the route. It's as if they want the route to fail.

German elections this weekend. A factor in the poor load. This upcoming weekends Inbound and outbound loads looking well. In other news, Delta will be a 757 for the whole Summer 18 season. A loss of 20,000 seats or 43%

Delta reduction to 757 next year, leaving the airport without a widebody passenger service again.

United cutting Chicago next year, another major slap in the face for the airport.

Seen it coming, just not so soon.

Airport will struggle with any growth next year and I'd wager it'll lose numbers.

Doesn't bode well for chances EI basing any more than 2 A321LRs when they get them.

Shannon in 4th place out of 10 for a new route to Cologne.

http://www.vote-and-fly.com

Hearing from contact that the SAS route isn’t returning next summer can anyone confirm ?

Can confirm this.

Lufthansa is staying, but just hanging on.

gosh thats a big blow SAS gone, Chicago gone, NY gone for winter with UA, Delta capacity reduction for summer 2018 - just shows how hard it is to make routes work out of the regions

Great that they got Air canada in and the extra Reus service with Ryanair otherwise be a major drop in numbers next year

PHL season also increased.

Can see numbers falling in 2018.

Delta using a domestic 757 next year which entails no business class. However, this will slightly weaken the blow of losing the 767 as the domestic 757 will carry more passengers.

The 757 days are getting very numbered, Shannon won't be considered 757 heaven for much longer!

Having spoken with a pal of mine who works in UA’s Commerical department, the reason UA pulled much of the B757 operation is because of the new agreements that they made with pilots and cabin crew earlier this year. The B757 operation isn’t as lucrative now which is why the ORD-SNN-SNN operation isn’t returning. They’re mostly gonna be used on Hawaiian routes ex SFO and LAX now as Hawaii is the big sunshine holiday destination for US citizens these days. SNN wasn’t the only European airport to experience reduction either.

UA Will be arriving 0915 and departing 1230 when it returns. Rumour has it that the EI Boston flight may be an A330 for a few months in the summer. DL will be an all economy B757.

Management trying to secure a route to Larnaca with Cobalt for next summer.

In regards to the A330 on BOS, I've heard nothing but I doubt it, although I've been surprised before.

BOS rumour is probally from the fact current schedules require a fifth B752. So either one will arrive (unlikely) or one of existing SNN or DUB will be switched over the summer because they have A330 capacity. They have apparently opted against going back with daily IAD A330 so that leaves BDY, PHL or something out of SNN to move.

Delta will be a domestic configured 757. Which will mean no Delta One cabin but the domestic First class cabin instead not all economy.

BOS-SNN would be the obvious candidate for A330 operations, but there is a problem. Without positioning flights I can't think of a way to get the A330 on SNN-BOS and the 757 to DUB-BDL/PHL/IAD. For that reason, I wonder if the DUB routes are more likely to see the A330? As an aside, do any SNN crew still operate on the A330?

There's a few things you could do, such as moving a crew to SNN for a number of months, or operating on a W from Boston and hence minimal ground transport in Ireland. Crew are bussed up and down from Cork every day in the summer to operate EI's routes to Malaga and Faro!

The jump in capacity would be huge, I'm not sure there's the market for it. However would love to see the A330 back operating from SNN.

UA becoming very seasonal. EWR flight ends 27th October this year.

Still longer than many seasonal routes run at the moment.

Very dissapointing however.

Still positive to keep United for the season.
What were the final passenger numbers for the airport in 2017 and how much growth on 2016?

Not good as they've not been released yet. Here's the 2018 schedule overlook:

Increases on existing services

*Providence going to 4pw and Stewart to 3pw for Summer 2018 (as opposed to 2pw each for 2017) with Norwegian.
*Lanzarote with Ryanair increasing to 3pw for June and July.
*Philadelphia with American increasing season by a month.

New Routes

*Toronto, with Air Canada, beginning in June (end October) at 4pw on 737 MAX
*Reus, with Ryanair, beginning in March (Seasonal to October) at 2pw

Many losses too however:

Routes cut

*Berlin SXF (Year-Round)with Ryanair (2pw) - Cut
*Stockholm (August-October) with SAS (2pw) - Cut
*Chicago (May-September) with United (5pw-Daily) - Cut

Decreases on existing routes

*Malaga (Year round, but concerning JULY/AUGUST segment) with Ryanair - Cut from 4pw to 2pw.
*New York-JFK (May-October) with Delta - Reduced from 767 to 757
*Newark (Was Year round) with United - Cut to March-October
*Zurich with Helvetic Airways, operated at 1PW, not sure of exactly what season it was or will be but I know the season has been cut by the few weeks.

I expect a decrease for 2017.

Numbers were down by about 70K from January to September. I can't see any reason that trend should be substantially different for the last quarter. They were certainly down by about 5K for October.

Full route-level figures will be released by the CSO in late-March/early April.

Looks like Shannon finished up at +0.1%.

Seriously?

Source?

From the CSO, these are exact figures for international passengers. so all that is excluded is the very tiny number of domestic passengers in Shannon

2016 (Jan-Oct): 1451018
2017 (Jan-Oct): 1381549

2016 (Full Year): 1653514
2016 (Nov-Dec): 202496

We also have a figure for total passengers at Shannon for 2016, which shows 1,674,567, with the implication that the total domestic figure is 21,053. I'm surprised it's that high, but it's still only a fraction

It would take over 35% growth in November and December to get to 0.1% growth for the year. I just can't see that.

Sources
Aviation Statistics 2016 - CSO - Central Statistics Office
Passenger Movement by Irish Airport, Direction, Foreign Airport and Month - StatBank - data and statistics

Does that include transit? They've signalled before that this is how they'll spin it.

It includes connecting passengers who are flying a routing like Birmingham-Shannon-New York. In fact it double counts them.

As it's a sum of arriving and departing passengers, it may well miss those who are on the same flight like KU117 and BA001.

Domestic figures are the loop of Galway bay that Ryanair fly as a santa flight every Christmas.