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vkid 16th Feb 2018 10:56

Good news.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/297506/shannon-airport-looks-forward-to-year-of-growth-as-ryanair-add-new-services.html

AerRyan 16th Feb 2018 14:18

Bristol -2pw
Liverpool -3pw
Manchester - increasing from 4pw to 6pw.

Very positive for the airport, extra 7 flights a week, didn't expect. There was a gaping hole in the UK market.

snn20 16th Feb 2018 19:13

Excellent, needed for the airport

Dreamliner_01 17th Feb 2018 13:47

Great announcement and a long time coming as gaps were obvious - Only downside is flight times and days on Liverpool service are shocking - doesent suit the significant football or weekend break traffic with 22:35 departure on a Saturday night - likewise Bristol days of operation very poor and offer nothing for weekend market really

840 19th Feb 2018 09:39

That's a big expansion to the North-West of England (125%). I'm a bit surprised they didn't target a Scottish route instead of Liverpool.

AerRyan 19th Feb 2018 17:02

A very lucrative deal was offered, one that would have not been offered had ryanair threatened the current service to EDI.

AerRyan 19th Feb 2018 23:34

Deal was for 5 years so not really, means little anyway as most routes from the original deal have actually been scrapped. This recent one is completely independent of that deal.

Will it be built on for the winter? Probably not, other than the new services will remain.

snn20 20th Feb 2018 17:58

Shannon 2017

Pax - 1,751,500(incl transit) (+0.15%)
Movements - 19,296 (+0.77)
Cargo - 19,073 tonnes (+38.67)

vkid 21st Feb 2018 09:54

Big jump in cargo. I assume the Coca Cola Traffic helped there.

Dreamliner_01 22nd Feb 2018 19:15

Surely if a load of cash was offered they would have tried to secure better days of operation - hard to see these days been top performers they don’t even facilitate a weekend break - hope they added to winter schedule as don’t see them there as yet and most of rest schedule loaded

MarkD 21st Mar 2018 19:03

Air Canada launch event with Ambassador Kelly in Toronto. Have seen a lot of web ads for the new route in the last week.

AerRyan 21st Mar 2018 23:58

Would be great to see it extended next year. One of them routes which could go either way! The fact that Air Transat maintained a rather useless service for so many years possibly shows there is a market though.

snn20 3rd Apr 2018 18:31

Aer Lingus is making SNN-JFK year around, Boston gone from Jan-March

AerRyan 3rd Apr 2018 21:03

Largely as a result of a shift in completition. United gone from Newark, making the route much more viable.

Shannon's Norwegian routes may be under threat for the winter. Corks Providence is already cut for the winter, and may not be returning again.

Una Due Tfc 3rd Apr 2018 22:50


Originally Posted by AerRyan (Post 10106440)
Largely as a result of a shift in completition. United gone from Newark, making the route much more viable.

Shannon's Norwegian routes may be under threat for the winter. Corks Providence is already cut for the winter, and may not be returning again.

I had forgotten EI were just swapping JAN-MAR capacity to JFK from BOS. Was thinking that if PVD went, that would be the first time SNN had zero flights to the States since it opened!

840 4th Apr 2018 06:59

Irish Examiner reporting this morning that both Shannon and Edinburgh to Providence will be suspended for the Winter along with the Cork to Providence route. No word of cutbacks on Stewart from any airport.

snn20 4th Apr 2018 09:48

"Despite the cancellation of the routes to Providence, Norwegian is to expand its Shannon to New York service to four flights per week for the same period."

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...nnon-1.3450059

AerRyan 13th Apr 2018 17:44

Financial suicide for Norwegian however.

At this stage, it looks unlikely they will BRS and LPL will operate through winter.

Plane mad 134 18th Apr 2018 15:50

Norwegian expansion
 
Norwegian in W18/19 are expanding service to Newburgh by increasing the frequency from 3 to 7 weekly.

Information was found on routes online news.

AerRyan 18th Apr 2018 16:23

Maybe read the thread first?

Plane mad 134 18th Apr 2018 17:00

Oops sorry I just found out today and decided to post it but my mistake sorry

snn20 19th Apr 2018 16:47

REU doing fairly good. PHL strong inbound however a mixed bag outbound

AerRyan 5th Jun 2018 11:38

No major change and no concrete routes. Anything concrete would be announced, and anything far off would certainly not be in the public domain. Occasionally something near announcement would be released, but that's at discretion.

snn20 6th Jun 2018 19:30

Air canada doing OK, inaugural was good both ways, monday and today were 50-60%... tomorrows YYZ-SNN looking fairly full though from the seat map

snn20 6th Jun 2018 19:50

Bristol and Liverpool on the other-hand are quite a different story

Dreamliner_01 9th Jun 2018 07:14

I’m heading of proposed cuts to set Lingus regional services from both cork and Shannon for winter - anyone hear anything similar ?

snn20 9th Jun 2018 10:08

where did you hear this?

snn20 9th Jun 2018 19:22

A mere 46 on tonights LPL-SNN, loadings havent been great ever since the route started

840 11th Jun 2018 09:03


Originally Posted by Dreamliner_01 (Post 10168772)
I’m heading of proposed cuts to set Lingus regional services from both cork and Shannon for winter - anyone hear anything similar ?

I can't say I've heard it, but it wouldn't be tremendously surprising. We know Cork-Newcastle is gone. Drop the third rotation from Cork to Manchester on those days where there is one and cut Shannon operations where it's operated as a W from Cork (or alternatively operate them as a W from Dublin) and there's no need for a third aircraft in Cork. It could be a big saving for not too much pain.

cloudier 11th Jun 2018 17:12


Originally Posted by 840 (Post 10170332)
I can't say I've heard it, but it wouldn't be tremendously surprising. We know Cork-Newcastle is gone. Drop the third rotation from Cork to Manchester on those days where there is one and cut Shannon operations where it's operated as a W from Cork (or alternatively operate them as a W from Dublin) and there's no need for a third aircraft in Cork. It could be a big saving for not too much pain.

I would be surprised if this happened high loads and very high prices too

Dreamliner_01 11th Jun 2018 23:03

Shannon Edinburgh cut to five per week compared to six per week last winter and I’m hearing planned cuts on Birmingham could be following soon / midweek travel very soft during winter cited - not sure if will happen but heard It from couple of pilots the routes

EI-A330-300 12th Jun 2018 11:46


Originally Posted by 840 (Post 10170332)
I can't say I've heard it, but it wouldn't be tremendously surprising. We know Cork-Newcastle is gone. Drop the third rotation from Cork to Manchester on those days where there is one and cut Shannon operations where it's operated as a W from Cork (or alternatively operate them as a W from Dublin) and there's no need for a third aircraft in Cork. It could be a big saving for not too much pain.

Schedule on sale is whats planned, in fact ORK-MAN is increased slightly.

snn20 12th Jun 2018 13:23

SNN-EDI 4x weekly from 31st october. MON,THU,FRI,SUN.

snn20 12th Jun 2018 20:21


Originally Posted by Paul015 (Post 10171650)
Birmingham also reduced to 6 weekly, no Saturday flight. Any word on how Ryanair are doing this summer, it’ll be a quiet winter for U.K. flights this year with these reductions, particularly Wednesday’s with only one stansted, heathrow, Birmingham and Manchester operating. Plus the loss of United in November also... at least there’s additional Norwegians and the extra jfk for the spring.

No saturday service between 10th of Nov and 8th of Dec however it returns to daily after that. Best wait for an official confirmation
Ryanairs new routes are going ok, REU is doing excellent, BRS too. Room for improvement in regard to LPL

AerRyan 13th Jun 2018 11:01

Air Canada is doing extremely well. Expect a full season and an increase in frequency next year.

snn20 13th Jun 2018 18:21

How well are loadings doing percent wise?

snn20 4th Jul 2018 11:31

"Shannon Airport growth continues to soar as half year figures take off"
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/h...ke-flight.html

snn20 4th Jul 2018 11:31

CAA UK STATS

April 2017 2018 %

London (LHR) - 23,039 | 22,083 -4
London (STN) - 17,423 | 17,112 -4
London (LGW) - 10,169 | 10,249 +1
Manchester (MAN) - 5,821 | 6,115 +5
Birmingham (BHX) - 3,316 | 3,435 +4
Edinburgh (EDI) - 2,397 | 2,508 +5

May 2017 2018 %

London (LHR) - 23,782 | 24,453 +3
London (STN) - 16,447 | 16,631 +1
London (LGW) - - - -
Manchester (MAN) - 5,541 | 6,334 +14
Birmingham (BHX) - 3,249 | 3,295 +1
Edinburgh (EDI) - 2,714 | 2,852 +5
Bristol (BRS) - NEW | 1,339 -
Liverpool (LPL) - NEW | 1,119 -

Stats for May are provisional. BRS and LPL began near the end of May. BRS had a 70% LF (1,339/1,890), LPL was 49% (1,119/2,269)

Dreamliner_01 10th Jul 2018 21:57

If those load factors don’t improve dramatically on Bristol and Liverpool they certainly won’t last long - think Bristol is sustainable but Liverpool was always a challenge given capacity on Manchester and a well established service up the road in Knock - probably shows why they haven’t extended them for winter

MerchantVenturer 11th Jul 2018 10:00

Ryanair has been operating Bristol-Knock for ten years, mainly as a summer route (3/4weekly) although it began as year-round. Interestingly, it will operate through the coming winter for the first time for many years at 3 x weekly. The early summer load factors on BRS-NOC have been similar to that on BRS-SNN for the first month of that route (part month to be precise) this year. For example, in May of this year BRS-NOC load factor was just under 73%, similar in 2017, 69% in 2016 and 72% in 2015. So the new BRS-SNN route does not appear to have impacted negatively on BRS-NOC, albeit less than a month's operation is a very small sample of course.

The BRS-NOC load factors typically improve significantly as the summer progresses each year so hopefully the same will apply to BRS-SNN. As always, yields are the important figure.


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