[QUOTE=OzzyOzBorn;10402845]I departed MAN T3 for LHR on a BA Shuttle on the morning of 26th February, just hours before FFMAN posted his adverse comments about security there. I encountered no queue to speak of. No shouting. Staff were courteous. /QUOTE].
Wait a minute Ozzy, I can't let you get away with that. Maybe instead of actually reading my post you read what you wanted to read in to it? Where did I say there were huge queues? Where did I say there was shouting? Where did I say the staff were not courteous? I was simply warning fellow travellers (including you!) of the need (Manchester only rules) to take out laptop chargers and put them in the tray - totally pointlessly of course. i thought that if people were prepared then it might save them a bit of time in the queue. But then you've been to every airport on earth in the last 6 months and therefore know everything - so no point telling you. I think I have met you ...or someone like you. Most people have. Plus if you had read my previous comments on security you might have noticed that I don't even give MAN the accolade of 'most shouty airport' - that usually goes to the main US gateway airports. What I don't like about Manchester security (and I think this is pretty unique) is the implied threat to severely delay you if your bags gets pulled - whether it's your fault of the fault of a novice screen reader not being savvy enough to know what they've seen. I suspect this threat is an intentional policy of intimidation. Security is supposed to be a service to the customers of the airlines that are the customers of the airport. We are not supposed to be the enemy as it often feels at MAN. Manchester has it's issues for sure - it's a pretty terrible passenger experience all round. Others describe it well and it's the airport I recognize rather than the rose tinted view you have presented. We have to to take account of the time of day too; at some times of the day it's bearable, other times unbearable - are you sure you're not referencing Manchester NH? |
My colleagues that visit from Belfast always travel back in the evening from T3 |
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn
(Post 10402845)
I departed MAN T3 for LHR on a BA Shuttle on the morning of 26th February, just hours before FFMAN posted his adverse comments about security there. I encountered no queue to speak of. No shouting. Staff were courteous. /QUOTE].
Wait a minute Ozzy, I can't let you get away with that. Maybe instead of actually reading my post you read what you wanted to read in to it? Where did I say there were huge queues? Where did I say there was shouting? Where did I say the staff were not courteous? I was simply warning fellow travellers (including you!) of the need (Manchester only rules) to take out laptop chargers and put them in the tray - totally pointlessly of course. i thought that if people were prepared then it might save them a bit of time in the queue. But then you've been to every airport on earth in the last 6 months and therefore know everything - so no point telling you. I think I have met you ...or someone like you. Most people have. Plus if you had read my previous comments on security you might have noticed that I don't even give MAN the accolade of 'most shouty airport' - that usually goes to the main US gateway airports. What I don't like about Manchester security (and I think this is pretty unique) is the implied threat to severely delay you if your bags gets pulled - whether it's your fault of the fault of a novice screen reader not being savvy enough to know what they've seen. I suspect this threat is an intentional policy of intimidation. Security is supposed to be a service to the customers of the airlines that are the customers of the airport. We are not supposed to be the enemy as it often feels at MAN. Manchester has it's issues for sure - it's a pretty terrible passenger experience all round. Others describe it well and it's the airport I recognize rather than the rose tinted view you have presented. We have to to take account of the time of day too; at some times of the day it's bearable, other times unbearable - are you sure you're not referencing Manchester NH? I have not claimed to have "used every airport in the world in the last 6 months". Such hyperbole does you no credit. But the 451 I have travelled through (yes, including Manchester NH!) represent a good sample size with which to compare MAN. I stated that I'd place MAN in the top 25% of those for user experience, but clearly that "rose tinted" assessment is something you're not prepared to contemplate. No, "rose tinted" would be claiming top 10. Seriously, if you genuinely believe that MAN is "a pretty terrible passenger experience all round" then I have to say that you can't have travelled much. Perhaps MAN is the worst except for most of the others?!!! By the way, thanks for informing us that major airports experience peak periods and quiet periods. Who knew? If only I'd taken that into account! So you have met "someone like me" ... hmmm, what a strange thing to write. Well, maybe you learned a bit about how the world really works in the process. Actually, I do think it is sad that this thread has degenerated into a tight cabal of whingeing drama queens who harass anybody who doesn't instantly acknowledge that MAN is one of the worst airports in the world. Upto a couple of years back, this site used to be the 'go to' resource for up to date info on airports like MAN. But most of the informative posters seem to have given up. Apologies to rare exceptions such as Scottie Dog and Roverman. What went wrong? How did the whingers get to dominate the narrative on here? Such a shame. |
God, this is boring...
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Only a month until first stage of TP opens with pier 1 becoming operational, Brussels Airlines and Eurowings transfer to T2 from
end of April and Jet2 commence second part of their move United start their upgrade to B767 with 300s in winter and 400s in summer, Turkish Airlines are putting A330 on afternoon flight 3 days a week from 2nd April to 26th October ( Tu, Th and Sa) Just a few things to wet your appetite for what promises to be a busy year. |
Originally Posted by chaps1954
(Post 10403590)
Only a month until first stage of TP opens with pier 1 becoming operational, Brussels Airlines and Eurowings transfer to to T2 from
end of April and Jet2 commence second part of their move United start their upgrade to B767 with 300s in winter and 400s in summer, Turkish Airlines are putting A330 on afternoon flight 3 days a week from 2nd April to 26th October Just a few things to wet your appetite for what promises to be a busy year. |
Originally Posted by chaps1954
(Post 10403590)
Only a month until first stage of TP opens with pier 1 becoming operational, Brussels Airlines and Eurowings transfer to T2 from
end of April and Jet2 commence second part of their move United start their upgrade to B767 with 300s in winter and 400s in summer, Turkish Airlines are putting A330 on afternoon flight 3 days a week from 2nd April to 26th October ( Tu, Th and Sa) Just a few things to wet your appetite for what promises to be a busy year. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1d24b0a804.jpg |
Ha Ha yes I agree.
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Do I get a more powerful set of binoculars or will MAG supply NATS with CCTV as they already do for T3? 🙄🙄
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Run Manch as a remote tower from Swanwick. Perfect all round views. No probs with blind stands |
Multilateration will resolve the visibility issues I believe, but hey Little G, don't give them ideas!
Actually, you don't need to use Swanwick. MAG employ their own ATCOs at EGNX, so they could ditch NATS and run 'CC, 'NX and 'SS from any of those sites using RTwr technology. According to at least one of their managers, the evolution of that technology is something they're watching closely. |
What facilities will be available in Pier 1? Just gates or also a food outlet and/or a newsagent? Or will the masses be corralled in the central departure lounge until the very last minute?
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I've not seen any facilities in photos posted of the pier. I would expect passengers to move to the gate when boarding is anticipated.
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There will be no facilities in the new pier, the plan is for pax to remain in the main terminal until the aircraft is almost ready for boarding. There are also limited amount of toilets in the pier, and the arrivals level has even fewer toilets. Looks good inside, some issues are arising with the trials ongoing, and are trying to be resolved but I’m not convinced anything can be done at this point. It’ll be an interesting first few days to see what happens, can’t wait for the first complaint about it being too far or too big |
There are also limited amount of toilets in the pier, |
A very valid point Council Van, and if pax in the main terminal for longer there will be more time to drink water/tea/coffee/small sherries etc.
Eleven aircraft stands means well in excess of 1,100 people, with limited toilet facilities. |
Not a big surprise that they want to encourage people to stay in the main terminal area for as long as possible so they can spend their holiday cash in the shops/bars etc. However in the early days before the T2X extension opens it could be a bit of an issue with the long walk from terminal to gate. |
Manchester Statistics - January 2019
Introduction Back in September 2015 I decided that I should start to correlate statistics for Manchester and use 2005 as a reference point for historical data. My file now consists of 14 years of monthly figures and 484 destinations that have been served from Manchester over that period. Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown. Langkawi came online in January 2019 with 1,469 cruise passengers. U-Tapoa in Thailand appears for the first time with 1,155 charter passengers and Murcia International shows 2,124 scheduled passengers - Murcia San Javier saw its figures drop from 4,861 to 2,336 and Murcia as a whole had a reduction of 401 passenger. Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures) Amsterdam - 1,041,195 passengers Dubai - This route has now dropped out of the target figure to be included. No domestic statistics are missing from the CAA report for January. Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics Monthly passengers - 1,786,032 +6.9% Annual Total - 24,784,468 +2.01% Moving Annual Total - 28,417,078 +2.07% Monthly Movements - 13,645 +0.79% Annual Movements - 173,322 -0.84% Moving Annual Movements - 201,348 -0.93% Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers https://i.ibb.co/N18bWyB/Screenshot-245.png Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase. https://i.ibb.co/5MLzKhm/Screenshot-246.png Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic. https://i.ibb.co/frckdpD/Screenshot-247.png Comparison of top 25 destinations - January 2009 versus January 2019 https://i.ibb.co/jJX0YDg/Screenshot-248.png Major changes to Domestic traffic https://i.ibb.co/mBwjGYw/Screenshot-249.png CAA statistics for January are provisional. |
Originally Posted by Council Van
(Post 10405773)
It is likely to a bare minimum of a hour from the flight being called to climbing through 10'000ft the earliest point at which I would consider switching the seat belt signs off.
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Originally Posted by MANworker
(Post 10405594)
There will be no facilities in the new pier, the plan is for pax to remain in the main terminal until the aircraft is almost ready for boarding. There are also limited amount of toilets in the pier, and the arrivals level has even fewer toilets. Looks good inside, some issues are arising with the trials ongoing, and are trying to be resolved but I’m not convinced anything can be done at this point. It’ll be an interesting first few days to see what happens, can’t wait for the first complaint about it being too far or too big Can you share what some of the "issues" are? |
According to OAN 23/2019 the hydrants on T2 are shut at night whilst fuel mains to Pier 1 are connected however fuel is available on remote stands.
Do you have a source for your rather broad statement? |
February statistics
Brief summary of February stats (from a very bumpy Cumbrian bus)
Movements - 13,326 +1.69% Passengers - 1,798,625 +6.97% Inc transits - 1,805,164 +7.05% Moving annual figures: Movements - 201,569 -0.70% Passengers - 28,502,330 +2.50% Inc transits - 28,590,075 +2.44% Edited to reflex correct monthly passenger percentage increase. |
Originally Posted by Scottie Dog
(Post 10407500)
Brief summary of February stats (from a very bumpy Cumbrian bus)
Movements - 13,326 +1.69% Passengers - 1,798,625 +7.97% Inc transits - 1,805,164 +7.05% |
I note Jet Airways creeping into the charts.
It concerns me to read in Flight Global today that out of their fleet of 96 aircraft, they now have 27 grounded & in storage due to non-payment of leases. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...1200000000taAh |
Originally Posted by jinbo
(Post 10407636)
Managers at shell and north air told by MAG to source 40 0000 litre bowsers ASAP as hydrant systems will not be ready by 1 April. I am employed by one of these companies. Many thanks for the update. |
Originally Posted by virginblue
(Post 10407509)
Pardon my ignorance - what are "transits" in that context as the figures looks ridiculously low? (200 per day)
I hope that helps. |
easyJet new routes on sale tomorrow:
MAN - Bari (summer only Wednesdays and Saturdays) MAN - Kalamata (summer only Tuesdays and Saturdays) MAN - Jerez (year round Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday) MAN - Nice (year round Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday) 3 extra flights a week from MAN to BFS on Wednesday, Friday and Saturday and 1 extra flight a week from MAN to BUD on Wednesday. |
OPERATIONAL ADVICE NOTICE (OAN)
OAN 25 / 2019 – RUNWAY OPERATING HOURS (SUMMER 2019) OAN REF:- 25/2019 DATE OF ISSUE:- 06/03/19 EFFECTIVE DATE:- 01/04/19 EXPIRY:- 27/10/19 1.0 SUMMARY 1.1 During the summerseason dual-runway operating hours will revert to seasonal summer operating hours. 2.0 PROGRAMME 2.1 Commencing 06:15 Monday 1 st April 2019 for the summer season. 3.0 DUAL RUNWAY OPERATING HOURS 3.1 All times quoted in this Operational Advice Notice are local. 3.2 Monday to Friday (inclusive) 3.2.1 Runway 05L/23R and 05R/23L will be in operation between 06:15hrs - 20:00hrs. Runway 05L/23R will be in operation as a single runway at all other times. 3.3 Saturday 3.3.1 Runway 05L/23R and 05R/23L will be in operation between 06:15hrs - 16:00hrs. Runway 05L/23R will be in operation as a single runway at all other times. 3.4 Sunday 3.4.1 Runway 05L/23R and 05R/23L will be in operation between 06:15hrs - 09:30hrs & 13:00hrs – 20:00hrs. Runway 05L/23R will be in operation as a single runway at all other times. 4.0 RESCUE & FIRE-FIGHTING SERVICE CATEGORY (RFFS) 4.1 RFFS Category 10 will be provided at all times. 5.0 PROMULGATION OF INFORMATION 5.1 A NOTAM will be issued promulgating the runway operating hours. |
Or look three posts up. |
Sorry my mistake, deleted.
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New EZY routes from MAN
Originally Posted by easydan319
(Post 10408784)
easyJet new routes on sale tomorrow:
MAN - Bari (summer only Wednesdays and Saturdays) MAN - Kalamata (summer only Tuesdays and Saturdays) MAN - Jerez (year round Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday) MAN - Nice (year round Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday) 3 extra flights a week from MAN to BFS on Wednesday, Friday and Saturday and 1 extra flight a week from MAN to BUD on Wednesday. |
XRY (Year Round)
Can you pls confirm XRY is year round? I understood it was August for three months only, if it’s year round, that would be excellent
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Everything I have read says all year on several forums
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easydan, Thanks for the Man info- much appreciated. Rgds, NRU74 |
Originally Posted by NRU74
(Post 10409882)
easydan, Thanks for the Man info- much appreciated. Rgds, NRU74 |
Originally Posted by GavinC
(Post 10402766)
I'm sorry but that's simply not true. The experience at MAN does put people off, particularly at T3 where regional flights compete with other modes and the MAN issues are at there worst.
For example, i've been to Glasgow a number of times recently. My instinct is to fly and the cost is comparable to the train if not better. I did fly once and my experience was as follows - get train to airport, fine. Walk to T3 from station, ok but outside. Security - shouty, aggressive, long queues, don't look at your phone! get everything out, use more trays. Unpleasant. Get into Terminal - Nowhere to sit, barely anywhere to stand, queues at all of the bars and shops. Unpleasant. So i got the train most of the time and FlyBe missed out on the money i wanted to give them. For what it's worth, there were no queues for security at GLA on the way back, nor were there queues when i flew to Glasgow from London City recently or back from Belfast City either. At all three airports i carried my same work gear and at all three i was able to use fewer trays and was not shouted at. Lets also not forget that many of MAN's passengers will have a choice of airports depending on where they are going. That could be LPL, BHX or even LHR for some destinations. MAN (T3) puts people off and the airport need to address it. I would only offer that killing the train service to Glasgow need not and should be a primary measure. Manchester is about 10th in the world on overall destinations served, and the number deliverable effectively by rail is close to zero. If the train works better for you, then use it. Please consider that may be no more a failure for the airport than the success of Billy's Bionic Burger Bar in Bury may be a failure for McDonalds. |
Originally Posted by Aksai Oiler
(Post 10409652)
Can you pls confirm XRY is year round? I understood it was August for three months only, if it’s year round, that would be excellent
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Ryanair BFS
maybe still working in progress but Ryanair appear to have cut MAN-BFS from twice daily to twice weekly from W19/20 Big loss of seats |
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