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jdcg 28th Mar 2018 14:57

No, 12 car apparently

Stanstedeye 28th Mar 2018 18:37

Jet2
 
First time that there have been nine morning departures for tomorrow:-
NAP/FAO/LPA/AGP/PMI/ACE/AYT/ALC/TFS.

Stanstedeye 29th Mar 2018 09:23

Jet2
 
The based ALC 737 into STN today was GDFF.

southside bobby 29th Mar 2018 09:37

180,000 pax due to leave STN over the Easter Weekend...

Comparisions...

260,000 from LGW...
160,000 from MAN...
& almost 100,000 from LTN...

southside bobby 29th Mar 2018 09:49

Re Jet2...

& very new JZBK joined the STN based fleet this week...

daz211 29th Mar 2018 10:31

Primera seat plan for STN-ALC 28apr-05may is no longer a 737-800 I haven’t looked at other dates but looks like to be a larger aircraft.

OltonPete 29th Mar 2018 14:18

Primera
 

Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 10100844)
Primera seat plan for STN-ALC 28apr-05may is no longer a 737-800 I haven’t looked at other dates but looks like to be a larger aircraft.

Looks like the A321as it is 198 seats 16-22-160 - interesting to say the least.

Pete

wowzz 29th Mar 2018 14:38


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10100784)
180,000 pax due to leave STN over the Easter Weekend...

Comparisions...

260,000 from LGW...
160,000 from MAN...
& almost 100,000 from LTN...

Given the relative size of the departure areas, I would prefer to be in one of the two LGW terminals, rather than be crammed into the STN shopping mall !

STN406 30th Mar 2018 01:29


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10100784)
180,000 pax due to leave STN over the Easter Weekend...

Comparisions...

260,000 from LGW...
160,000 from MAN...
& almost 100,000 from LTN...

86,030 yesterday 29/3
40,015 Arrivals
46,015 Departures

Spoke to a member of Stobart Ground Handling, they said every easyJet flight is full all weekend.

Falcon666 30th Mar 2018 04:04

STN406
Don't believe what they tell you.
A look on EasyJet's web page shows plenty of seats available to many destinations all weekend- for a price of course

AirportPlanner1 30th Mar 2018 07:11

How many seats though? If it’s a handful per flight I’d concur with the handler that they’re all ‘full’

tophat27dt 30th Mar 2018 10:29


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10101801)
How many seats though? If it’s a handful per flight I’d concur with the handler that they’re all ‘full’

Oh...come on....either they are full or not. Probably almost full!

_aax1 30th Mar 2018 10:34


Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10101991)
Oh...come on....either they are full or not. Probably almost full!

They're probably full, the website allows overbookings in normal circumstances,

tophat27dt 30th Mar 2018 11:05


Originally Posted by _aax1 (Post 10101994)
They're probably full, the website allows overbookings in normal circumstances,

Really? I would be very unhappy to be off loaded and my holiday screwed up.

_aax1 30th Mar 2018 11:16


Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10102024)
Really? I would be very unhappy to be off loaded and my holiday screwed up.

I've seen EZY flights overbooked by 7-10 regularly. They apparently use a bit of math to forecast how many people won't turn up.

Most airlines overbook. Charters don't but I believe most other airlines do. As long as you either reserve your seat or check-in online you wouldn't be offloaded. It's the last minute airport check-in whom aren't travelling with children/PRM that do.

DC3 Dave 30th Mar 2018 12:00

I have paid EZY on a number of occasions and not travelled, only when the price was rock bottom though. I've also benefited from volunteering not to board and taking a later flight, although this was a few years back. British Midland were happy to pay cash at twice the ticket price for 4 of us to take a later flight EDI - LHR. Don't know if this is still common practice.

southside bobby 30th Mar 2018 18:13

STN closed to arriving pax aircraft due mass disruption within the terminal due to a coach blaze earlier outside the terminal.

It appears passengers within the terminal at the time were quickly evacuated airside away from the fire & dense smoke for their own safety without obviously any security checks & now everyone airside are required to be rescreened even if they had been airside & already security checked!.

Arrival delay still undetermined & many diversions to LTN..LGW..EMA..&c.

Aircraft now being advised EMA..BHX..LTN all unable to accept diversions due volume of traffic.

Expressflight 30th Mar 2018 18:23

.... and SEN which you obviously forgot to mention.

southside bobby 30th Mar 2018 18:33

No but...yeah but..

The info I had to hand when I started my post did not include SEN but yes EZY I believe..

Was not deliberate in any form..

I believe EWG were on their way to LHR!! I did fail to mention that one..

I did try to be an ace reporter..honest....

daz211 30th Mar 2018 18:58

Now seeing diversions to Manchester and cork inbound seems to be returning to cork or at least Ireland I imagine the rest of today’s departures are a right off unsure about arrivals but guessing until the satellite buildings and terminal are empty of out bound passengers nothing will be landing

carousel 30th Mar 2018 19:15

Stansted Airport

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#ADVISORY All departing flights have now been cancelled and passengers are politely asked to leave the Airport. We apologise for the inconvenience and advise you to re-book your flight with the airline.

12:00 PM - 30 Mar 2018

southside bobby 30th Mar 2018 19:19

Can imagine the procedures to be followed,as stated not just the departure lounge to be cleared but all 3 of the SAT`s as well & no rescreening until the whole of airside is sterilised with then with the added complication of which flights will now be canx anyway & filtering out of the security lines those passengers....a mare.

Just observed the RYR from Warsaw transit overhead at 38000` heading W so STN still not accepting traffic.

Remarkably little ill informed comment tho which is a good sign so far.

southside bobby 30th Mar 2018 19:24

Very very unfortunate but cannot see any other means of getting it back on track tonight.

daz211 30th Mar 2018 19:35

I also think tomorrow morning particularly Ryanair’s first wave of departures will be cancelled due to tonight’s last wave of inbound being stuck at out stations and some having diverteded to other UK airports not a very good Easter weekend at all.

Having said that I do not blame MAG/Stansted for the situation I bet it was quite a worrying situation have a fire on a bus not knowing the cause I think evacuating through security was the only option.

LTNman 30th Mar 2018 20:31

Well that has mucked up their Easter passenger forecast.

Hollymead 30th Mar 2018 20:35


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10102499)
Well that has mucked up their Easter passenger forecast.

Grown man .

Red Four 30th Mar 2018 20:46

Stream of inbounds positioning in...

Falcon666 30th Mar 2018 20:48

Really unfortunate incident at a peak time.
Looks like it was handled very well by the Airport, but it really shows up how little extra capacity is available at surrounding airports to deal with the volume of a/c in such an event.

scodaman 30th Mar 2018 21:03

LDY - STN turned back over Irish Sea earlier

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f...m1507#10e19b28

compton3bravo 31st Mar 2018 06:19

Just watched some so-called reporter doing an OB from Stansted on BBC Breakfast. Never seen so much incompetence in my life. Obviously not done her homework - saying the fire was out at FIVE am yesterday and interviewing two people who should have been on a flight to Barcelona. As a good old Army friend often said 'a total waste of rations'. Where do they get these people from. Rant over.
Good luck to everybody who could not travel yesterday evening hope you get on your way today.

paully 31st Mar 2018 08:53


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10102837)
Just watched some so-called reporter doing an OB from Stansted on BBC Breakfast. Never seen so much incompetence in my life. Obviously not done her homework - saying the fire was out at FIVE am yesterday and interviewing two people who should have been on a flight to Barcelona. As a good old Army friend often said 'a total waste of rations'. Where do they get these people from. Rant over.
Good luck to everybody who could not travel yesterday evening hope you get on your way today.


Not a rant Compton, more a statement of fact. I studiously avoid TV News these days as it seems to be over populated with bright young things, oozing degrees simultaneously displaying zero common sense. Best wishes, of course, to all those caught up in this awful situation and ruined travel plans..My heart goes out to them..

davidjohnson6 31st Mar 2018 09:14

I imagine I shall be heavily criticised for this but why did a bus on fire necessitate closing / evacuating the entire airport ? I get the police would be jumpy about terrorism, the risk of explosion of the bus fuel tank and all the smoke, but complete airport closure just seems to me slightly over the top. Yes I have seen the photos

What happened to Keep calm and carry on ?

wiggy 31st Mar 2018 09:23


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10103012)
I imagine I shall be heavily criticised for this but why did a bus on fire necessitate closing / evacuating the entire airport ?

No idea, can understand reason for stopping outbounds...were inbounds simply cancelled due to the resultant lack of stands or was there more to it?

Whatever happened it does make one wonder about the wisdom of nominating Stansted as an alternate if a relatively small landslide vehicle fire shuts down the operation (and gets you wondering about the robustness of more than just Stansted).


What happened to Keep calm and carry on ?
That’s been a myth for a few years now; it’s a phrase beloved by certain politicians, tea shirt and coffee mug makers but generally not matched by reality.....

eu01 31st Mar 2018 09:42

Sorry, but shouldn't the airport's RFFS nearby have been able to arrive there immediately and extinguish the fire within a couple of minutes? It is not their duties perhaps? Just ponder the results.

caaardiff 31st Mar 2018 09:46

From what I've read on Twitter it sounds like people were "evacuated" through security from landside to airside, or there was something linked to the evacuation that caused a security concern. The comments weren't completely clear but the impression I get is that people got airside without being screened, therefore the departures/airside areas are no longer sterile. It's then a case of everyone out, security and dogs in, and the entire airside area having to be searched that can take a long time.

pamann 31st Mar 2018 09:49

People were evacuated from landside to airside without the necessary security checks. As I understand it, the whole airside part of the terminal including satellite buildings needed a security sweep before these areas were useable again. That’s why no flights departed until after midnight (if any) because of the security operation to secure the airside areas.
I can only assume that because the fire was at the front of the terminal (landside) that this was the safest option available. None of us were there so I’d say it is difficult to comment or have an opinion.
Praise to the staff and firefighters involved.

CaptainSensible 31st Mar 2018 09:49

A nail a horseshoe, horseshoe a horse, a horse a King etc

Cheap/delayed bus maintenance, elec fault, small fire (groundside), multiple diverts etc.

Swiss cheese holes blah blah. Anybody care to guess the consequential costs to the likes of RYR, EZY and Jet2?

Stanstedeye 31st Mar 2018 11:00

STN fire
 

Originally Posted by eu01 (Post 10103051)
Sorry, but shouldn't the airport's RFFS nearby have been able to arrive there immediately and extinguish the fire within a couple of minutes? It is not their duties perhaps? Just ponder the results.

Maybe STN RFFS crews are only allowed to work airside.

STN406 31st Mar 2018 11:07


Originally Posted by eu01 (Post 10103051)
Sorry, but shouldn't the airport's RFFS nearby have been able to arrive there immediately and extinguish the fire within a couple of minutes? It is not their duties perhaps? Just ponder the results.

The AFS whould have been first on scene.
Stansted has an appliance ready to respond to any emergency situation landside of the airport grounds whether that’s medical/ traffic accident/ fire.

Fire reported at 16:20
Fire under control at 16:40
Fire extinguished at 17:00

southside bobby 31st Mar 2018 13:26

Oh dear it appeared hopeful at one stage this morning but the ill & uninformed posted as feared.

I honestly began to think that the question..."why did a bus on fire necessitate closing/evacuating the whole airport?"... would not appear on a "professional" forum.

A little thought,common sense & knowledge of the situation that evolved quickly coupled with familiarity of the layout at STN would save the "clever" remarks.

Kudos to the terminal management who took the right decision being fully aware of the disruptive ramifications for ops later to evacuate thousands of pax to "safety" airside.

Perhaps the speculators here would have preferred to be evacuated outside into acrid smoke & an unknown potential threat anywhere landside.

The first duty of the terminal management is toward the travelling public & staff`s safety & in this they fully succeeded.


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