It's probably because people making their own way to the gate for a connecting flight without rescreening will evade the parade through the shops, nothing to do with security risk.

Not quite true for departures, international flights operate from the domestic gates and sometimes domestic flights go from international gates.

For arrivals, all international pax are segregated from departing pax regardless of which satellite you arrive into. So although you can walk from Sat 3 back to the main lounge, you absolutely cannot do so if you've just arrived so self connection without rescreening just isn't possible.

A/P1...402.

Correct of course...

Highlights from STN Commercial Director`s blog on the outlook for 2018.

Of the 154 connections available with EK out of DXB 86 will be a viable choice from STN.

After EK being signed further long haul ambitions are more routes to the USA & new services to China & India.

A mezzanine seating level above the main restaurant area in the departures lounge adding 1500 seats to the 2000 available at present.

12 new check in desks,a further 2000 car parking spaces & 8 new aircraft stands.

If you turn left out of Sat 2 as an arriving domestic passenger, you’re smack in the middle of retail with zero need to go through security once again to get there? I think they’re doing it because they’ve always done it and can’t remember the reason why.....
Makes no sense from the perspective of the customer and so far as anyone has shown, it's not a security issue as everyone is already cleared to UK DfT standards and makes life incredibly difficult if you're making a connection.
easyJet have been departing domestics from Sat 1, cuts down on bussing. International flight can arrive on Sat 1 so direct access to UK Border then depart to a UK destination. Domestic flights can arrive on the 80s on Sat 2 downstairs and turn around and depart internationally on the same gate so quite flexible. It's just very unpredictable.

I am all too familiar with your description of the layout.

STN406`s post was enlightening.

Answer summation tho to one of your original questions states there exists no official connecting facility at STN.

My own description of SELF-connect meant just that.

I feel it is a facility that should be introduced or re introduced (those connecting corridors exist =Air Berlin.I accessed/used them myself with the correct airside pass to move between the arrivals area ex the transit train but before immigration & then thru back into the main departure lounge!).

OK but I knew all of this already, I am well aware of how it currently works.

Just to focus laser like for a minute then, and this is getting boring now I think we can all agree. Is the only reason STN won't allow arriving domestic passengers to access the departure lounge is to make them walk through the shops after reclearing security needlessly? It strikes me that the only security issue might be arrivals might then be able to exit via the "Return to Terminal" door and the DfT have rules on making sure everyone arrives via the same route?

Great potential but bonkers layout!

As already rehearsed over on the LTN thread...

STN traffic down 1.2% for December due mainly to 300 flights canx due adverse w/x in the UK & Europe.
(Still with the RYR crewing issue negative effect too).

However December was still the second busiest December ever with 1.8m pax.

2017 busiest ever year with 25.9m pax (shame just to miss the 26m).

2017 = +6.5% or 1.57m pax.

Nantes 4 PW with RYR commence W18..

Are Air Mediterranean about to quietly drop their Stansted-Athens route ? It looks like everything on STN-ATH has been zeroed out after Sunday 21 January (ie end of this week). Their website seems to show flights on all other routes ending by 25 January

3500 seats in total. That is around 3400 more than Luton.:(

I'm a little dubious about the existing 2000 seats. That figure may be true if you include the seats at the various gates, but not in the main departure lounge, which at times resembles a refugee camp, with passengers wandering around, trying to find a seat,.
The cheaper and easier option would, of course, have been to utilise some of the excessive retail space, but obviously passenger comfort comes second to profit maximisation.

Hope this isn't 3 steps fwd 2 back.

Manchester has already nicked 3rd place.

Still bags of potential at STN.

Jet2 put on New york flights, but none for STN this year. wonder if Primera have them running scared.
No current Primera flights for Nov/Dec, so Jet2 could have had a head start

Were they scared off by MAN'S daily flights to NYC? I'm sure BHX and STN will see Xmas flights. Would be great as well if they offered them from other airports as well.

They are much more established in MAN and probably have a stronger base market than STN, so i'd imagine they'd be less threatened by existing NYC routes.

Then again, they don't have an EDI route either, so i could be talking nonsense, it might just be down to a/c and slot availability

there are more options to JFK from London that the North. when I checked on Expedia the fare on BA on the same day was cheaper than Jet2 with a bag a meal and reserved seats. all of which are free on BA long haul.

Indeed, seems to be a shutdown of the whole operation, not just STN.

Speaking to a friend today who works within MAG. Stansted will in the coming years have full ‘shoreline’ check in instead of the current ‘island’ design.
Though this may take quite a few years due to structural changes needed on the mezzanine level and baggage sort.

8 new ‘shoreline’ check in desks are expected for the summer. Possibly in time with Emirates launch. These will be located where the M&S was situated.

New arrivals building is apparently waiting for approval of Stansted being able grow over the 35 million passengers allowance. Though this is currently being debated.

Obviously some of these things may change again, but this is just what a friend passed on. Being Stansted Airport they most likely will, as things seem to change daily.

The new arrivals building is going ahead no matter what it is needed to reach current permitted levels of growth work is due to start this year.

Was reading about Primera pulling BHXBOS: https://www.birminghampost.co.uk/bus...ngham-14215588

Noticed this little gem
A pretty bold move, if they're serious about moving everyone from BHX to STN, it'll sure cost a pretty penny, unless loads were REALLY bad

And does that mean loads from STN are ALSO poor in order to accommodate the extra pax ?

Can we all just calm down with the speculation and drama
We are all in the airline industry apart from the spotters and the enthusiastic wannabes and for us that actually work in the industry we know no airline would cancel and delay flight schedules due to lack of seat sales whilst offering affected passengers a flight from an alternative airport and paying for the cost of getting people to the alternative as this would lead to an aircraft sitting doing nothing and we all know that’s how you destroy your reputation.
It is obvious to me and I would guess many others on this forum that the only possible reason for this is a delay to the delivery of an aircraft.
From what I have heard the customer service from this airline has been second to none with calls being answered promptly and many alternatives being offered from full refunds to alternative departure points with costs covered
We should give the airline credit for resolving this issue and taking the affected flights out of the schedule promptly.

Can I just add this has only affected Birmingham longhaul flights and has not affected Stansted or Paris flights what so ever

I have to agree with daz211 that it sounds like a shortage of a/c due to late delivery. Why would the BHX-EWR go from daily to x4 weekly to accommodate the YYZ rotations if this was not the case?

It could also be that poor sales had a contributing factor as to why BHX was chosen over STN/CDG to affect the least customers?

The Stansted Tristar
 

She has had a varied career here as our training aircraft; towing, pushback, aircraft recovery, emergency services exercises and de-icer training. When parts and tyres were no longer available she fell into disrepair.

The decision was taken in 1996 to remove her from Stansted. It has been a lengthy process and the first works commenced two weeks ago. Her wings were removed on Tuesday and from there the excavator munched its way through her fuselage until this afternoon, Friday 26 January she was no more.

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To avoid having the second a/c sat doing nothing for half the week? I can't figure out why Primera would be so keen not to say it is late delivery of a/c - the Airbus contract must be a cracker!

I would say you're both correct. Its known that their new 321neo aircraft aren't off the production line yet, hence why they've had to cancel flights.

Any company regardless of the industry will cut ops which have the least economic affect on its finance books. So we can assume that STN sales have been better than BHX. I'm not surprised that BOS was suspended as it's a new market for BHX and would take some time to develop, it does not mean it will wont be successful in the future.

Primera at the end of the day are leading the future of transatlantic travel, narrow body long haul flights will be extremely common in the future of aviation (even IAG have ordered the 321LR) and generally they will even have lower cost base than Norwegian LH from LGW because of the aircraft type and lower fees at STN.

Regarding shoreline check-in, I don't think Emirates will use it as the belts wont be in place in time and they apparently require more than 8 desks. I imagine they will use Zone B as it's not used in the evening.

Not sure if this has been mentioned here but MV ATH has been suspended indefinitely, CO LCA are reducing their schedule to two flights a week in S18, I imagine because of their new LHR flights. Finally IZ TLV are returning will a full schedule between April to October.

Aax1 - it looks like MV / Air Mediterranean shut down all routes across their network by the middle of last week. The Greek press was reporting that investors were unhappy

It also amazes me that anyone thinks these flights would be anywhere near full right now, when we're a good three months away from even the first flight!

Do we have a Primera Air Rep here ?

"Customer service second to none " ?

I doubt those who have had flights cancelled to BOS and NEWARK would agree but maybe that's just me. In terms of credit they sent a lot of cancellation emails out at 4.59 on Friday.

Whether that was by accident or design it has left many with a somewhat sour taste.

They have rectified a part of the problem with ftr offers but to many that appears reactionary rather than customer led.

No not a rep just an understanding person who knows this industry very well and yes the customer service seems to be very good after the event with reports from affected passengers saying phone calls being answered in under a minute and alternative travel arrangements offered or a full refunds but as we all know in our line of work flights get cancelled customers get upset due to this at least it’s looking like they have sorted the unfortunate situation out but you can’t make people happy once you have made the decision on how to move forward.

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Also note that they are also launching STN-PMI in July looks to be a Saturday only flight so far.

Clear that BHX-BOS was cut for poor loads as this is clearly the aircraft that was due to operate that route.

Fantastic news....

IAD commences 22.8.18 & at 5 weekly appears to be bookable thru to at least 8.12.18 at the moment.

Toronto increases from 3pw to 5pw too.

News item also appears on STN website & Primera also state only a few weeks away from receiving their first NEO with ops commencing in April.

Great news with the addition of PMI too if only with a measured 1pw to start but it now makes 8 destinations in total from STN this Summer.

Indeed brilliant news for Stansted.
Palma is saturated at Stansted this summer not looked at the full timetable for all airlines but I heard Ryanair will have 19x weekly flights to PMI from Stansted not to mention Jet2 Easyjet TUI Thomas Cook.

^^^^^
Yes absolutely correct with RYR on PMI going from 14 to 19 weekly between 2.6.18 & 30.9.18.

STN really coming into its own now with Med services.

A good call surmising another long haul route to come later in the season from Primera with the demise of BHX/BOS.

Don’t forget BA (City Flyer) on the PMI route too.

Stansted must be the best connected UK airport to the island this summer in terms of operators if not seats overall?

It might appear with the flux of operators over at LTN it has involuntarily ceded some Med market to STN.

Interesting also with all the Primera detractors the start of PMI even with their large experience within the market there is very measured & tactical so far with a limited period & 1pw to start.

We must be talking 9 or 10 flights to PMI on a Saturday mid summer this is going to be a massive year for Stansted and passengers numbers, with all the new airlines and transatlantic routes, the sooner the new arrivals building is completed the better so they can open up the terminal for departing passengers, it is nice to see that the airport is adding a lot more seating in Departures that will be a welcome addition to the airport.

Top 3:

Gatwick 65 weekly flights 5 airlines (MT/D8/TUI/EZY/BA)


Stansted 51 weekly flights airlines 7 (PF/EZY/RYR/LS/BA/MT/TUI)


Manchester 69 weekly flights 6 airlines (BA/RYR/EZY/TUI/MT/LS)

Info taken from Google flights so apologies if any info incorrect.