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Jerry123 10th Oct 2017 17:53

The Flybe base at CWL will return to being an all E jet base at the beginning of Summer 18. An E175 aircraft will replace the current Q400 aircraft.
At the moment the schedule for all 3 aircraft is incomplete with gaps on Tuesdays Wednesdays and Saturdays which could accommodate new routes or extra frequencies on current routes or probably both.

Letsflycwl 10th Oct 2017 18:45

That would fit in with the Flybe “charter” rumours for Summer 2018, 2 E95’s and 1 E75 and the gaps in the timetable too

Jerry123 10th Oct 2017 20:07

Yes looking at the gaps then this potential for routes to the med as far as DBV and MLA for the E195s and for southern France maybe northern Italy for the gaps for the E175. Though Saturday afternoon for the E175 I'd expect to be filled with BHD and EDI as they aren't on sale but the gaps for it on Tuesday and Wednesday may get filled with European routes.

MARKEYD 11th Oct 2017 08:44

Is it possible the aircraft might position to other UK airports to operate charters ?
I am thinking for example no aircraft at present to operate SOU -JSI on a Tuesday afternoon , as at the moment the only jet aircraft allocated that is on the SOU - PMI run , just a thought

Jerry123 11th Oct 2017 10:28

I can't see it myself apart from the E175 on Saturday afternoons the gaps aren't large enough. The gaps are like 5 to 6 hours long.

Jerry123 11th Oct 2017 10:33

Cardiff Airport to get a £4 million terminal and car parking upgrade.
The departures area and the executive lounge will be expanded. Retail space will be expanded including a larger WH Smith store a new Costa coffee outlet in departures and one in arrivals.
There will be a new meet and great car park with a dedicated drop off and pick up area close to the terminal and a new car hire centre close to the terminal building.
www.cardiff-airport.com/news/2017/10/11/terminal-and-car-park-investment-unveiled/

Quake 11th Oct 2017 11:59

Do you know who is providing the Finance Jerry? The link didn't seem to mention it.

Jerry123 11th Oct 2017 18:08

Not really but I am guessing the airport owners the Welsh government.

Jerry123 11th Oct 2017 19:33

Have just been told that it's part of a £10 million loan the Welsh government setup a while ago for terminal upgrades.

canberra97 11th Oct 2017 22:49

Are any upgrades to the airbridges included in this planned investment?

Letsflycwl 12th Oct 2017 05:13

With Qatar Airways starting in May you would hope that the end airbridge especially would have some form of revamp.

It’s a shame the other 2 bridges are not lowered to allow them to connect to the BE Embraers and B737’s. Who knows reallly....

Jerry123 12th Oct 2017 05:52


Originally Posted by canberra97 (Post 9922026)
Are any upgrades to the airbridges included in this planned investment?

Not as far as I know. It's not mentioned in the article. Would be nice to have new ones but I don't think it's a priority. The one on stand 7 can connect up to a 787 and A330 but with Qatar it will mean economy passengers going through business class. If Qatar don't want that then I'm guessing it'll be replaced if they don't mind then it'll probably stay. The one on stand 9 is knackered while the one on 10 gets used by Vueling Iberia Express and Thomas Cook.

Jerry123 12th Oct 2017 06:12


Originally Posted by Letsflycwl (Post 9922196)
With Qatar Airways starting in May you would hope that the end airbridge especially would have some form of revamp.

It’s a shame the other 2 bridges are not lowered to allow them to connect to the BE Embraers and B737’s. Who knows reallly....

If Qatar are happy with the economy passengers going through business class then i doubt they'll change the one on stand 7.

I'd be surprised if BE would want to use them even if they were fully adjustable as it slows down their turnaround time's same with Ryanair.
I'd imagine TOM would use 7 if it was fully adjustable and KLM would use 9. The other airline's either can't or already do use 10.
Fully working airbridges are nice but at the moment I don't think they are a necessity for the airport.

Quake 12th Oct 2017 14:28


Originally Posted by Jerry123 (Post 9921774)
Not really but I am guessing the airport owners the Welsh government.

Oh the taxpayer. Historicly the taxpayer has invested and/or bailed out Cardiff airport a number of times and as usuall the debt is socialised (the taxpayer pays) and the profit is privatised, a bit like the railways. Reverse socialism, the western way, makes me want to puke.

Jerry123 12th Oct 2017 15:30

The taxpayer owns MAG and BHX yet no one complains about that.
It was either buy it or see it turned into a housing estate and leave Wales without an airport.

Alvechurch 12th Oct 2017 16:04

No subsidies from the taxpayer for BHX because the owners are:

Ontario Teachers Pension Plan 48.25%
Seven West Midlands Metropolitan Boroughs 49%
Airport Employees 2.75%

LAX_LHR 12th Oct 2017 16:20

And MAN hasn't had a council payout in a long time, it usually goes the other way with MAG paying the council a dividend.

Jerry123 12th Oct 2017 17:25


Originally Posted by Alvechurch (Post 9922843)
No subsidies from the taxpayer for BHX because the owners are:

Ontario Teachers Pension Plan 48.25%
Seven West Midlands Metropolitan Boroughs 49%
Airport Employees 2.75%

And that is what the Welsh government wants CWL to be eventually a public private partnership but to get it to that point they have to invest in it.

Callum Paterson 12th Oct 2017 18:10

I love going to work everyday to keep airports like Prestwick, Cardiff and others afloat. Like others, it makes me want to vomit.

AirGuru 12th Oct 2017 18:55


Originally Posted by Jerry123 (Post 9922229)
If Qatar are happy with the economy passengers going through business class then i doubt they'll change the one on stand 7.

I'd be surprised if BE would want to use them even if they were fully adjustable as it slows down their turnaround time's same with Ryanair.
I'd imagine TOM would use 7 if it was fully adjustable and KLM would use 9. The other airline's either can't or already do use 10.
Fully working airbridges are nice but at the moment I don't think they are a necessity for the airport.

BE don’t need/want airbridge use. Their Embraers already have steps built into them as far as i can remember.

Absurd comments about state support, there are so many state supported elements around you, you really wouldn’t believe how much is these days to some extent.


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