Future Growth Plan
Originally Posted by PorkyPig76
(Post 10692993)
With passenger numbers declining once again which new routes do you think likely for ncl and when could we see these begin? We still have gaps left after the demise of tcx waiting to be filled...
https://www.newcastleairport.com/2035-masterplan/ Examples include: Canada: Toronto U.S.A: Atlanta (Major US hub for Delta Air Lines) * Map was prepared when the Airport had a direct connection to Newark NYC with United Asia: Delhi China: Beijing, Shanghai Norway: Oslo Turkey: Istanbul Europe: Athens, Budapest, Hamburg, Berlin, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Zurich, Toulouse. Munich (now served) |
TUI SUMMER 2021
Changes noted PALMA 5 weekly (up from 4) SHARM EL SHEIK ....1 weekly (new route) |
Mmm not sure about those ambitions. Nice to aim (very) high though...
Originally Posted by VentureGo
(Post 10693513)
Examples include:
Canada: Toronto Maybe at a push U.S.A: Atlanta No way Newark NYC with United Whats changed? Asia: Delhi No way China: Beijing, Shanghai No way Norway: Oslo Low cost low frequency Turkey: Istanbul Perhaps but likely at some EK expense? Europe: Athens No Budapest, Hamburg No Berlin Maybe Frankfurt Maybe, Stuttgart, No Zurich No, Toulouse No Munich (now served) |
Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 10693691)
Mmm not sure about those ambitions. Nice to aim (very) high though...
United to EWR might work if Lufthansa are able to go more than daily with MUC and potentially FRA to build up a Star Alliance customer base. Oslo probably stands a chance with Loganair but no more Air Transat or Westjet might attempt some kind of Canadian destination at a push if the market is right. Turkish to Istanbul, would probably work but do the airport want to risk Emirates getting peeved off, especially if the Far East market continues to feel the fall out from Coronavirus as the region makes up the majority of EKs onward connections... Did hear on the grapevine Wizz had expressed an interest which is probably more likely than most of the above |
United to EWR might work if Lufthansa are able to go more than daily with MUC and potentially FRA to build up a Star Alliance customer base. Turkish to Istanbul, would probably work but do the airport want to risk Emirates getting peeved off, especially if the Far East market continues to feel the fall out from Coronavirus as the region makes up the majority of EKs onward connections... |
The main thing with this list from the masterplan, IMO, is where the consistency in demand would come from. Very little business travel in either direction other than hubs, very little inward tourism too. Generally just taking a plane load of Geordies on their holidays, then bringing them all back again. Once everyone from within the catchment area who wants to go has been, that's it, the route gets pulled.
BER was served by EZY back in the 7 based A/C days and got pulled, then they tried again a couple of years back, 2-3 a week, but pulled it once again. Big routes like MAD get pulled too after a season or two. If anything on the list does come to fruition I'd expect short term, low frequency, as has already been mentioned earlier. Any airport who can achieve 9-10m pax per year ought to be able to sustain direct flights to NYC. As NCL can't, I'd not hold much hope for ATL. AA tried JFK but pulled it before it even started, then UA failed also. Nobody has an a/c small enough to accommodate the 90ish pax per flight demand and still turn a profit. EZY aren't interested, FR are reducing their presence more and more, LS are going big at STN and BHX so dont seem to be very cuty break oriented out of NCL other than the ad hoc offerings and PRG. Wizz wouldn't be a bad call as it's hard to see where any new additions would come from. |
Didn't easyjet already try Berlin recently? There's no airline alliance hub in Berlin, so a low cost airline is really the only option, and if easyjet couldn't get it to work only Ryanair is really left.
Maybe if there's extra capacity with the new airport (unlikely) someone can try again. |
Oslo with Loganair is probably the most likely to happen
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The problem has always been more money to be made at other airports.
hopefully with slightly less competition at Manchester and Gatwick with cooks gone we may see less Palmas needed there and this may free up aircraft to come to other local airports to offer new direct flights cant see anything changing until at least max is flying again. be nice if operators went after improving profits at the bigger airports rather than market share and having a few empty seats |
Loganair Winter 2020/21
Winter now on sale
Newquay is 3x weekly Guernsey has some departures over the Xmas and new year Bergen continues during the winter all good news |
Plus Brussels 10 weekly
Stavanger 6 weekly Aberdeen 13 weekly Bergen is 2 weekly |
Originally Posted by GrahamK
(Post 10671987)
Dusseldorf dropped for W20/21?
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Few A320s starting to appear on the MUC route i see.
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Hmm - there's been one, and two days before it was a CRJ9.
DUS has seen far more upgrades recently, and that's on the way out. |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 10698995)
Hmm - there's been one, and two days before it was a CRJ9.
DUS has seen far more upgrades recently, and that's on the way out. |
Originally Posted by LiamNCL
(Post 10699033)
A320 again on the 6th
I remember when the service was first available for booking it was showing some flights on CR9 in the booking engine from the getgo, so I wouldn't be too concerned about the occasional CR9 service - it's likely been planned that way for a long time. We've also had a time change notification some time ago for the Muc-Ncl leg. |
Looks like TUI are going to be operating aircraft other than 737-800 this summer. I have a booking for a flight to Naples in July and the seating plan has changed to an aircraft with 6 seats per row and 30 rows. No extra legroom seating.
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Originally Posted by simonwa
(Post 10699108)
Looks like TUI are going to be operating aircraft other than 737-800 this summer. I have a booking for a flight to Naples in July and the seating plan has changed to an aircraft with 6 seats per row and 30 rows. No extra legroom seating.
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Originally Posted by LiamNCL
(Post 10699110)
A320 from Avion has been mentioned.
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Originally Posted by HH6702
(Post 10699398)
2x Avion aircraft to join the 2x 738’s
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