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VentureGo 22nd Feb 2020 13:04

Future Growth Plan
 

Originally Posted by PorkyPig76 (Post 10692993)
With passenger numbers declining once again which new routes do you think likely for ncl and when could we see these begin? We still have gaps left after the demise of tcx waiting to be filled...

The Airport's Masterplan 2035 (page 20-21 Figure 6) link below, suggests routes being looked at by the Airport for future growth:

https://www.newcastleairport.com/2035-masterplan/

Examples include:
Canada: Toronto
U.S.A: Atlanta (Major US hub for Delta Air Lines) * Map was prepared when the Airport had a direct connection to Newark NYC with United
Asia: Delhi
China: Beijing, Shanghai
Norway: Oslo
Turkey: Istanbul
Europe: Athens, Budapest, Hamburg, Berlin, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Zurich, Toulouse. Munich (now served)

Jamesair 22nd Feb 2020 15:44

TUI SUMMER 2021

Changes noted

PALMA 5 weekly (up from 4)
SHARM EL SHEIK ....1 weekly (new route)

VickersVicount 22nd Feb 2020 18:35

Mmm not sure about those ambitions. Nice to aim (very) high though...

Originally Posted by VentureGo (Post 10693513)
Examples include:
Canada: Toronto Maybe at a push
U.S.A: Atlanta No way
Newark NYC with United Whats changed?
Asia: Delhi No way
China: Beijing, Shanghai No way
Norway: Oslo Low cost low frequency
Turkey: Istanbul Perhaps but likely at some EK expense?
Europe: Athens No
Budapest, Hamburg No Berlin Maybe Frankfurt Maybe, Stuttgart, No Zurich No, Toulouse No Munich (now served)


NCL-TRC 22nd Feb 2020 19:56


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 10693691)
Mmm not sure about those ambitions. Nice to aim (very) high though...

Realistically:

United to EWR might work if Lufthansa are able to go more than daily with MUC and potentially FRA to build up a Star Alliance customer base.

Oslo probably stands a chance with Loganair but no more

Air Transat or Westjet might attempt some kind of Canadian destination at a push if the market is right.

Turkish to Istanbul, would probably work but do the airport want to risk Emirates getting peeved off, especially if the Far East market continues to feel the fall out from Coronavirus as the region makes up the majority of EKs onward connections...

Did hear on the grapevine Wizz had expressed an interest which is probably more likely than most of the above

SWBKCB 22nd Feb 2020 20:05


United to EWR might work if Lufthansa are able to go more than daily with MUC and potentially FRA to build up a Star Alliance customer base.
God loves an optomist! :ok:


Turkish to Istanbul, would probably work but do the airport want to risk Emirates getting peeved off, especially if the Far East market continues to feel the fall out from Coronavirus as the region makes up the majority of EKs onward connections...
EK don't seem to shy away from a fight - and DXB has stood up well to ME expansion in Scotland and at MAN.


long_final 22nd Feb 2020 20:28

The main thing with this list from the masterplan, IMO, is where the consistency in demand would come from. Very little business travel in either direction other than hubs, very little inward tourism too. Generally just taking a plane load of Geordies on their holidays, then bringing them all back again. Once everyone from within the catchment area who wants to go has been, that's it, the route gets pulled.

BER was served by EZY back in the 7 based A/C days and got pulled, then they tried again a couple of years back, 2-3 a week, but pulled it once again. Big routes like MAD get pulled too after a season or two.

If anything on the list does come to fruition I'd expect short term, low frequency, as has already been mentioned earlier.

Any airport who can achieve 9-10m pax per year ought to be able to sustain direct flights to NYC. As NCL can't, I'd not hold much hope for ATL. AA tried JFK but pulled it before it even started, then UA failed also. Nobody has an a/c small enough to accommodate the 90ish pax per flight demand and still turn a profit.

EZY aren't interested, FR are reducing their presence more and more, LS are going big at STN and BHX so dont seem to be very cuty break oriented out of NCL other than the ad hoc offerings and PRG. Wizz wouldn't be a bad call as it's hard to see where any new additions would come from.

YoungJerry 22nd Feb 2020 20:29

Didn't easyjet already try Berlin recently? There's no airline alliance hub in Berlin, so a low cost airline is really the only option, and if easyjet couldn't get it to work only Ryanair is really left.

Maybe if there's extra capacity with the new airport (unlikely) someone can try again.

Jamesair 23rd Feb 2020 09:16

Oslo with Loganair is probably the most likely to happen

HH6702 23rd Feb 2020 09:58

The problem has always been more money to be made at other airports.
hopefully with slightly less competition at Manchester and Gatwick with cooks gone we may see less Palmas needed there and this may free up aircraft to come to other local airports to offer new direct flights

cant see anything changing until at least max is flying again.

be nice if operators went after improving profits at the bigger airports rather than market share and having a few empty seats

HH6702 25th Feb 2020 03:20

Loganair Winter 2020/21
 
Winter now on sale

Newquay is 3x weekly

Guernsey has some departures over the Xmas and new year

Bergen continues during the winter

all good news

Jamesair 25th Feb 2020 08:38

Plus Brussels 10 weekly
Stavanger 6 weekly
Aberdeen 13 weekly
Bergen is 2 weekly

SWBKCB 28th Feb 2020 08:39


Originally Posted by GrahamK (Post 10671987)
Dusseldorf dropped for W20/21?

Not sure if I've seen it mentioned previously, but S20 seems to be down to 4 a week (Tues and Thurs dropped).

LiamNCL 29th Feb 2020 12:49

Few A320s starting to appear on the MUC route i see.

SWBKCB 29th Feb 2020 12:59

Hmm - there's been one, and two days before it was a CRJ9.

DUS has seen far more upgrades recently, and that's on the way out.

LiamNCL 29th Feb 2020 14:08


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10698995)
Hmm - there's been one, and two days before it was a CRJ9.

DUS has seen far more upgrades recently, and that's on the way out.

A320 again on the 6th

Hipennine 29th Feb 2020 15:09


Originally Posted by LiamNCL (Post 10699033)
A320 again on the 6th

There seems to be a lot of pre-planned chopping and changing rather than reactive. I am on the outbound on the 22nd, which was originally booked last august. We got notification of an aircraft change to A319 in October. In November, a notification that it will be op'd by Lufthansa Cityline. The online seat map is still showing an A319 for this flight. The return the following week is still shown as op'd by mainline.

I remember when the service was first available for booking it was showing some flights on CR9 in the booking engine from the getgo, so I wouldn't be too concerned about the occasional CR9 service - it's likely been planned that way for a long time.

We've also had a time change notification some time ago for the Muc-Ncl leg.

simonwa 29th Feb 2020 16:03

Looks like TUI are going to be operating aircraft other than 737-800 this summer. I have a booking for a flight to Naples in July and the seating plan has changed to an aircraft with 6 seats per row and 30 rows. No extra legroom seating.

LiamNCL 29th Feb 2020 16:05


Originally Posted by simonwa (Post 10699108)
Looks like TUI are going to be operating aircraft other than 737-800 this summer. I have a booking for a flight to Naples in July and the seating plan has changed to an aircraft with 6 seats per row and 30 rows. No extra legroom seating.

A320 from Avion has been mentioned.

HH6702 29th Feb 2020 23:10


Originally Posted by LiamNCL (Post 10699110)
A320 from Avion has been mentioned.

2x Avion aircraft to join the 2x 738’s

DanAir89 1st Mar 2020 07:48


Originally Posted by HH6702 (Post 10699398)
2x Avion aircraft to join the 2x 738’s

were Avion very reliability when they operated fromNCL for TCX?


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