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Looking up then but if they don't ration themselves they will run out of slots towards the end of each month. Do they stay or reposition empty to other London Airports for a departure?

My understanding is that the airport polices itself and fines airlines that arrive after the curfew. The same would apply if the nighttime movements limits are exceeded at the end of whatever period is used.* I guess Stobart fine themselves in the latter case.

Given the money raised from fines is periodically handed over to local good causes, with the blessing of the local authority, I cannot believe we are talking big bucks here. Perhaps Stobart are more more than happy to cough up and the arrangement will continue until and unless the council cries foul.

*Compliance is assessed annually.

Expressflight

18th Jun 2018 11:37

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Originally Posted by koninckske (Post 10175752)

In April 1583 pax to ANR and 5267 pax to GRQ.

..... and GRQ (I have a contact there) was 6400 in May; that a 260% increase on May 2017.

Barling Magna

18th Jun 2018 13:02

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Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10175778)

..... and GRQ (I have a contact there) was 6400 in May; that a 260% increase on May 2017.

Wow, that's impressive. How many more flights in May '18 v. May '17 though?

Red Four

18th Jun 2018 13:26

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Originally Posted by Barling Magna (Post 10175852)

Wow, that's impressive. How many more flights in May '18 v. May '17 though?

I think 72 total in 2017, 154 in 2018.

Expressflight

18th Jun 2018 14:34

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Originally Posted by Red Four (Post 10175862)

I think 72 total in 2017, 154 in 2018.

That's correct.

Barling Magna

18th Jun 2018 14:46

If my maths is correct that's an increase in LF from 34.2 to 41.6. Clearly headed in the right direction.

AirportPlanner1

18th Jun 2018 15:19

MAN is rising steadily as well. I was one of 44 on board this morning northbound.

ara01jbb

18th Jun 2018 17:44

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Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10175658)

The case for more early and late trains can only increase with the Ryanair announcement and the general increase in Southend's movements. How long can the rail company hold out?

Greater Anglia are not in a good place. Rumours of their sizeable franchise bond with the DfT having been forfeited. Three entirely new fleets of trains on every route within two years. They’re not going to be expanding any service beyond what the DfT specified in the franchise agreement - they’ve got quite enough on their plate.

AirportPlanner1

18th Jun 2018 22:31

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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10175940)

MAN is rising steadily as well. I was one of 44 on board this morning northbound.

Only 11 southbound tonight though. 28 got off the evening northbound.

Expressflight

19th Jun 2018 14:10

The long awaited third SEN-based E195, EI-GGC ex G-FBEN, has arrived at SEN this afternoon and looks likely to enter service later today although Titan are operating the DBV this afternoon.. Hopefully this will put an end to the delays and cancellations that have plagued the STK/BE SEN operation for the past couple of weeks.

Expressflight

19th Jun 2018 15:05

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Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10175584)

Looking up then but if they don't ration themselves they will run out of slots towards the end of each month. Do they stay or reposition empty to other London Airports for a departure?

Having looked at the past couple of days many seem to remain at SEN; three of the six Sunday night inbounds departed between midday and 2100 yesterday and two of the others were still on the ground this morning.

brian_dromey

19th Jun 2018 18:19

The numbers to MAN aren’t bad, particularly given the route is operated on the ATR. I wonder if people are using the service to connect onwards? The likes of skyScanner and flyBe’s own website seems to push connections via MAN quite heavily.

virginblue

19th Jun 2018 21:30

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Originally Posted by Barling Magna (Post 10175918)

If my maths is correct that's an increase in LF from 34.2 to 41.6. Clearly headed in the right direction.

Isn't this more like 42 pax per flight on an 68 seater, ie a load facotr north of 60 per cent?

AirportPlanner1

19th Jun 2018 21:56

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Originally Posted by brian_dromey (Post 10176847)

My experience is that a few are, but the majority aren’t. For example, last night there were no transfer pax in either direction. At most it’s only ever been a handful on any flight I’ve been on. That said, I’ve never got the afternoon flight northbound (which is good for connections at either end) but when booking my next couple of flights I’ve noticed that to be the one that says “Only X seats left at £XX” whereas the couple of times I’ve seen it arrive into MAN in the earlier days there was hardly anyone on it.

Barling Magna

20th Jun 2018 16:02

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Originally Posted by virginblue (Post 10176962)

Isn't this more like 42 pax per flight on an 68 seater, ie a load facotr north of 60 per cent?

Yes, of course you're right. I did say if my maths was correct, which naturally it wasn't.

tophat27dt

22nd Jun 2018 14:20

Good to see the schedules more or less on time now that the third E195 has arrived, although I don't know why the morning Glasgow was cancelled. LOT have announced flights from Budapest to LCY from next February. Will that kill off the SEN Budapest operation do you think?

_aax1

22nd Jun 2018 15:14

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Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10179291)

Totally different market, LCY service will target business travellers. I can't really see it working to be honest. Not sure if their is enough central London business pax to warrant the service, particularly with a foreign airline for BUD with no connections either side.

I can see EZY one day replacing the BE SEN route. They currently only serve LGW and fares are redicilously high all year round to BUD on thurs, fri, sun and Mon with all the weekend stag and city breaks, so yields must be decent. Could be a good fit in their route network/London ops and touristy enough for SEN to sustain its own market with all the competition from other London airports.

southender

25th Jun 2018 09:46

Wonderful photo on Southend Operations and Movements Facebook page taken from the tower early this morning. I counted 25 or more aircraft on the aprons, with not a spare stand apparent. Even had a Gulfstream parked up on stand 1.

Overnight arrivals come from all corners of the globe, a truly cosmopolitan atmosphere.

Long may it continue, or until the end of September at least!!

Planespeaking

25th Jun 2018 10:01

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Originally Posted by southender (Post 10181273)

It is great to see SEN so busy, however stands are going to have to be freed up for the start of Ryanair's three aircraft operation next spring. Perhaps some of the longstay bizjets will have to be stacked like they do at LTN to free up space.
Still it's a good position to be in, and gives the lie to some of the doomongers on here who couldn't wait for the airport to fail.

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