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AirportPlanner1 15th Jun 2018 21:21
I think it’s quite telling they’ve chosen some routes that aren’t served from STN, and that can’t be served from overseas because they have no or limited operations there. This to me shouts lack of capacity. For all the talk of playing STN off against other airports, the reality is that if they did move aircraft 4,5 and 6 over the vacant slots and stands would be snapped up by Jet2, Primera or someone else.

This seems more like LTN mk II in terms of route mix, somewhere else of course they can’t expand at because there’s no capacity.

I’m not saying individual routes won’t shift around as has been seen between STN and LTN - Copenhagen and Malta for example started out at the latter - but I don’t imminently see the aircraft moving over

tws123 15th Jun 2018 21:24
The Ryanair booking system currently shows a 195 seater aircraft, so surely that’s the 737 MAX 200?

1sky 15th Jun 2018 21:32
Originally Posted by tws123 (Post 10173918)
The Ryanair booking system currently shows a 195 seater aircraft, so surely that’s the 737 MAX 200?
It’s 189 seats since there is no row 13. A standard 738.

tophat27dt 16th Jun 2018 04:59
Originally Posted by 1sky (Post 10173927)


It’s 189 seats since there is no row 13. A standard 738.
If true, so much for the statements previously saying B738 can't operate from SEN with 188 pax and luggage.

Planespeaking 16th Jun 2018 07:18
Quite an impressive photo taken this morning of SEN's apron and posted on Southend Airport Movement and Operations facebook page. It would seem the bizjet traffic is building rapidly and the investment made in the Stobart Jet Centre could be
paying dividends.

mik3bravo 16th Jun 2018 07:41
Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10174136)
Quite an impressive photo taken this morning of SEN's apron and posted on Southend Airport Movement and Operations facebook page. It would seem the bizjet traffic is building rapidly and the investment made in the Stobart Jet Centre could be
paying dividends.
Yep. I was on the redeye to DUB this morning and couldn't help but notice how packed the ramp was with numerous bizjets. The ramp' were crazy busy with EZY, STOB and Flybe too.

Expressflight 16th Jun 2018 08:14
Originally Posted by fatmed (Post 10172477)
ezpress flight, you are unusually quiet on this development. You OK ? ��
Fine thanks but I've been in Dublin all week.

tophat27dt 16th Jun 2018 08:26
Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10174178)
Fine thanks but I've been in Dublin all week.
Welcome back! Lots happening this week.

Expressflight 16th Jun 2018 11:16
Originally Posted by Musket90 (Post 10173810)
On the runway grooving, the present surface is BBA which is designed to be ungrooved, so to groove it would mean another resurface with different mix which given the costs very unlikely.
Actually JER had a BBA surface laid which they decided to have grooved. This seems to have worked OK but I've heard suggestions that groove wear is more of a problem with BBA. Having said that I would expect SEN to re-profile the runway surface as TCAS FAN suggests and to groove the new surface. Otherwise I think that even the 737 MAX 200 would be excessively payload limited in its SEN operations. I cannot see any way that the existing 738 could be commercially viable at SEN, grooved runway or not.

737aviator 16th Jun 2018 11:17
Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10174084)
If true, so much for the statements previously saying B738 can't operate from SEN with 188 pax and luggage.
Thats going to depend on many other variables on the day mainly fuel load. All the new RYR deliveries for the last few months are 'SFP' 738s which give landing and takeoff performance improvements over the standard 'NG', potentially in the region of several tonnes on short runways with no terrain in the climb out.

In general though the runway is short and narrow which will reduce crosswind limits and there is no way any 737, NG or Max can take off at anywhere near MTOW due to the length.

runwayman 16th Jun 2018 14:36
Bizjets
 
Originally Posted by mik3bravo (Post 10174145)
Yep. I was on the redeye to DUB this morning and couldn't help but notice how packed the ramp was with numerous bizjets. The ramp' were crazy busy with EZY, STOB and Flybe too.
The only reason there are so many biz jets at the moment are that Luton & Stansted have reached their night quotas between June-September it will probably go back to the normal level from October.

Planespeaking 16th Jun 2018 14:46
Originally Posted by runwayman (Post 10174415)
The only reason there are so many biz jets at the moment are that Luton & Stansted have reached their night quotas between June-September it will probably go back to the normal level from October.
Possibly , but aren't the operators lucky SEN has the capacity for a London airport arrival and departure., otherwise it would be London's loss and a gain for Paris, Frankfurt or Amsterdam.

southender 16th Jun 2018 14:52
Runwayman,

Let’s enjoy it until then.

With arrivals last night from Dubai, Los Angeles and Seattle, amongst others, there’s a very international feel about the place at the moment. The apron this morning was very impressive.

Stobart must be pleased with recent events.

tophat27dt 16th Jun 2018 15:01
Originally Posted by southender (Post 10174427)
Runwayman,

Let’s enjoy it until then.

With arrivals last night from Dubai, Los Angeles and Seattle, amongst others, there’s a very international feel about the place at the moment. The apron this morning was very impressive.

Stobart must be pleased with recent events.
Absolutely. All good things might come to an end but enjoy them while you can.

runwayman 16th Jun 2018 15:22
Good times
 
Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10174436)
Absolutely. All good things might come to an end but enjoy them while you can.
Yes indeed DT we are used to that here as you well know!

tophat27dt 16th Jun 2018 15:28
Originally Posted by runwayman (Post 10174458)
Yes indeed DT we are used to that here as you well know!
Yes I know. Hopefully you will pick up a few new customers who will make return visits. For the time being, I am interested to see what aircraft and payloads RYR will operate, and if that will affect any of the current flights by other operators. Take care.

Barling Magna 16th Jun 2018 15:49
Surely they must be using the SFP variant?

Expressflight 16th Jun 2018 16:00
Without doubt I would say.

Planespeaking 16th Jun 2018 16:08
Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10174482)
Without doubt I would say.
Welcome back Eflight your absence has been noted and your bonus points have been deducted... meanwhile back at SEN!!

tophat27dt 16th Jun 2018 16:26
Originally Posted by Barling Magna (Post 10174477)
Surely they must be using the SFP variant?
Not all of the "experts" here seem to agree on this one!


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