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davidjohnson6 25th Jun 2018 23:09

Chateauroux
 
Flew between Chateauroux and Southend. Very low load factor (well below 50%) filled mainly with French people holidaying in London - very few Brits. This suggests that the aim of the subsidy, namely encouraging Brits to visit Chateauroux is not working - not that surprising as the local seem to excel at marketing fluff in the knowledge that thete isn't really anything worth seeing; I managed to fill 2 hours with sightseeing but found myself struggling after that ! Really can't see this route returning in summer 2019 unless the local French Govt body paying for the subsidy has money to burn.

tophat27dt 28th Jun 2018 11:30

Oh dear Another ATR broken this morning??

virginblue 29th Jun 2018 10:38


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10181792)
Flew between Chateauroux and Southend. Very low load factor (well below 50%) filled mainly with French people holidaying in London - very few Brits. This suggests that the aim of the subsidy, namely encouraging Brits to visit Chateauroux is not working - not that surprising as the local seem to excel at marketing fluff in the knowledge that thete isn't really anything worth seeing; I managed to fill 2 hours with sightseeing but found myself struggling after that ! Really can't see this route returning in summer 2019 unless the local French Govt body paying for the subsidy has money to burn.

While I doubt that the route is sustainable, I also doubt that it is aimed at Chateauroux proper which is a fairly small city. Probably targeting those who holiday in the area or who have second homes, just like all those flights to Tours, Limoges or Poitiers. Problem is undoubtedly how to create awareness of that route with the target group mainly served by Ryanair and Flybe from STN and SOU.

Barling Magna 29th Jun 2018 21:20

I would have thought that the route is mainly targeted at the French wishing to travel to London?

compton3bravo 30th Jun 2018 06:04

Could not agree more Barking. Nothing too spectacular plus very few ex-pats in the vicinity. Personally I don't find both Tours and Poitiers not particularly attractive either but Limoges is a different matter. Visit Oradeur-sur-Glane if you can and if you are not moved by the futility of war you never will be but good luck to the airline for giving it a go.

tophat27dt 30th Jun 2018 07:56

AMS delayed
 
Anybody know why 3 hours delay this morning on AMS? I am using this route for the first time next week with connections on separate tickets (I know it's at my own risk). The weather is CAVOK.

Falcon666 30th Jun 2018 08:03

AMS
Easyjet website is your friend.
Go to Business/ flight tracker for the info

Its due to crew welfare issues

welkyboy 30th Jun 2018 08:05

DT. It’s operating from Amsterdam with a Neo (1st visit to SEN) so inbound on time outbound delayed

davidjohnson6 30th Jun 2018 08:19

Barling - with load factors in the region of 25%, the Southend-Chateauroux route is clearly losing a lot of money. An ordinary commercial airline would probably be cutting the route - my understanding is that public sector organisation in Chateauroux is providing some sort of commercial support to IGAvion / Skytaxi. Why would French public sector effectively want to subsidise visits to Buckingham Palace and also provide glossy magazines on the plane promoting Chateauroux as a tourist destination ?

22/04 30th Jun 2018 08:48


Why would French public sector effectively want to subsidise visits to Buckingham Palace and also provide glossy magazines on the plane promoting Chateauroux as a tourist destination ?

Regional pride

tophat27dt 30th Jun 2018 09:36


Originally Posted by Falcon666 (Post 10184907)
AMS
Easyjet website is your friend.
Go to Business/ flight tracker for the info

Its due to crew welfare issues

Many thanks for the info.

tophat27dt 30th Jun 2018 09:39


Originally Posted by welkyboy (Post 10184911)
DT. It’s operating from Amsterdam with a Neo (1st visit to SEN) so inbound on time outbound delayed

Hi Welkyboy! Nice one.

Barling Magna 30th Jun 2018 10:45


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10184840)
Could not agree more Barking.

Hey, I'm BarLing, not BarKing.

Then again, maybe you're right.

DC3 Dave 4th Jul 2018 11:05

I'm posting this open letter from Andrew Tinkler here because I believe some will find it both relevant and of interest. Apologies to those who do not believe it belongs here.

https://www.scribd.com/document/3830...s-29-June-2018

Andy_S 4th Jul 2018 13:34


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10188187)
Apologies to those who do not believe it belongs here.

I've said before that I believe the fortunes of Stobart Group and its Aviation Division are inextricably linked, so any boardroom shenanigans is highly relevant and (in moderation) valid for discussion IMO..

The AGM is on Friday, and the vote to replace the Chairman looks like it’s going to be close. I get the feeling from the business pages that Tinkler’s camp may have the upper hand.

Personally, I don’t think anyone comes out of this very well. And it’s keeping Stobart Group in the headlines for all the wrong reasons.

SWBKCB 4th Jul 2018 16:14


Personally, I don’t think anyone comes out of this very well. And it’s keeping Stobart Group in the headlines for all the wrong reasons
.

An it could be taking the corporate eye off the ball - for example, could the Carlisle fiasco be related?

rowly6339 4th Jul 2018 20:57


Originally Posted by Andy_S (Post 10188320)
I've said before that I believe the fortunes of Stobart Group and its Aviation Division are inextricably linked, so any boardroom shenanigans is highly relevant and (in moderation) valid for discussion IMO..

The AGM is on Friday, and the vote to replace the Chairman looks like it’s going to be close. I get the feeling from the business pages that Tinkler’s camp may have the upper hand.

Personally, I don’t think anyone comes out of this very well. And it’s keeping Stobart Group in the headlines for all the wrong reasons.

tinklers camp have around 1/3 of the votes they hardly have it in their favour, far from it.

virginblue 4th Jul 2018 21:48

Has anyone connected through MAN on BE to another domestic destination? Is the transfer airside without security or are you dumped in arrivals and have to fight your way back through security to departures? BE offers 45m connections which would be very tight if the latter scenario applies.

JobsaGoodun 4th Jul 2018 21:55

Domestic to domestic connections with BE through T3 at MAN are all airside - no need to go anywhere near arrivals or security. In fact, the minimum connection time offered is just 35mins on some and I've never experienced an issue in making connections through their hub.

Andy_S 5th Jul 2018 09:57


Originally Posted by rowly6339 (Post 10188676)
tinklers camp have around 1/3 of the votes they hardly have it in their favour, far from it.

They have about a third of the votes in the bag simply from Neil Woodford’s institutional shareholding and Tinkler’s personal stake. What’s not known is which way the rest of the votes will fall, and they only need to secure about a quarter of these to win. One other institutional shareholder, while not actually declaring for either party, has publically refused to give the board his full backing and a few days ago one of the non-execs switched his loyalty to Tinkler. Of course, this may just be a case of better news management from Tinkler’s camp, but they only need one or two major shareholders to pitch in with them and suddenly it becomes too close to call.

Also worth observing that if Tinkler does get his way, then most of the other directors, including Warwick Brady, will almost certainly quit, in which case the turmoil will continue.

I should add that I myself don’t have a dog in this particular race and am less then enthused about either of the factions.

rowly6339 5th Jul 2018 17:50

I guess we will find out tomorrow

DC3 Dave 6th Jul 2018 17:44


Originally Posted by rowly6339 (Post 10189514)
I guess we will find out tomorrow

Apparently not. An announcement of the results of voting has been delayed by the company.

Andy_S 6th Jul 2018 21:11

Apparently it was that close that they've invited an independent 3rd party to double check the count. Result now expected on Monday. Meanwhile, the Chief Financial Officer has suddenly quit:

Bitter boardroom battle comes to head at Stobart AGM

Never a dull moment........

Buster the Bear 6th Jul 2018 23:45

What an absolute fiasco which does nothing for the reputation of Southend sadly.

SEN Observer 7th Jul 2018 05:13

Stobart AGM
 
I am not a believer in paid for access to newspaper websites; is anyone prepared to enlighten me as to the contents of the FT report? If not then I'll just wait for it to become general knowledge.

LGS6753 7th Jul 2018 08:56

Under public company listing rules, any price-sensitive news must be disclosed to the stock exchange first, thus reaching all investors at the same time. That is why the announcement has been delayed until Monday.

tophat27dt 7th Jul 2018 09:25


Originally Posted by LGS6753 (Post 10190677)
Under public company listing rules, any price-sensitive news must be disclosed to the stock exchange first, thus reaching all investors at the same time. That is why the announcement has been delayed until Monday.

I love aviation but hate the politics. Changing the subject, when do the Bordeaux flights begin?

Andy_S 7th Jul 2018 10:15


Originally Posted by SEN Observer (Post 10190593)
I am not a believer in paid for access to newspaper websites; is anyone prepared to enlighten me as to the contents of the FT report? If not then I'll just wait for it to become general knowledge.

That's weird; the link worked yesterday. But anyway, this is the actual text:



A bitter public boardroom battle at Stobart Group came to a head on Friday with an acrimonious annual general meeting. The infrastructure group, whose assets include Southend airport and a biomass business, has been in turmoil since May, when former chief executive Andrew Tinkler launched a campaign to unseat chairman Iain Ferguson. However, the results of the AGM — showing whether Mr Tinkler has been successful — were delayed past the close of business on Friday, which is unusual and typically indicates the vote was close. The AGM itself was fractious with several shareholders calling on Mr Ferguson to stand down. “I will not be standing down,” he said. “One of the great sadnesses of the last few weeks has been that our relationship [Mr Ferguson and Mr Tinkler] has deteriorated after four years of working together.” William Stobart, son of the founder of the Eddie Stobart truck haulage business and a close friend of Mr Tinkler, said at the meeting that the board had damaged the company brand and that his phone had been “red hot” with calls from unhappy employees. Mr Ferguson acknowledged there had been a “significant dispute at Stobart over the past weeks”. “As chairman of a listed company, you never want disputes to impact on the business. However, it is important that debate happens in a transparent way.” He added that there were “hugely important principles at stake”, including how all “boards must be professional and put ethics at the heart of everything they do”. On the morning of the AGM, Stobart’s chief financial officer stood down. In an announcement to the stock market, the company said that Richard Laycock had decided to step down as “chief financial officer and executive director and will not be putting himself forward for election at the AGM”. Recommended UK companies Stobart moves shares around ahead of crucial AGM vote Mr Laycock has been silent over the past couple of months, with shots mainly exchanged between Mr Tinkler and chief executive Warwick Brady. Mr Tinkler was fired as a director of Stobart Group in June, following his efforts to remove Mr Ferguson and replace him with retail entrepreneur Philip Day. Stobart said at the time it was issuing legal proceedings against Mr Tinkler, alleging “breach of contract and breach of fiduciary duty”. Mr Tinkler then launched defamation proceedings against Stobart’s board, including Mr Laycock. In an email to Mr Ferguson, Mr Laycock said he had not approved the statement Mr Tinkler was complaining about. Mr Tinkler failed in a legal case this week to have himself reinstated on the AGM’s ballot for re-election as a director. The votes for and against Mr Ferguson’s election among major shareholders were looking tight before the AGM. Largest shareholder Invesco, which owns 25 per cent, had said it would support Mr Ferguson, as had Royal London, with 2.6 per cent. Fund manager Neil Woodford, whose Woodford Investment Management has 20 per cent, said it would vote against Mr Ferguson, as would Mr Tinkler, who owns 7.8 per cent, and Allan Jenkinson, a former Stobart director who sold his biomass business to the company when Mr Tinkler was chief executive and owns 5.6 per cent. Proxy advisers Glass Lewis and ISS had both advised shareholders to vote for Mr Ferguson.

mikkie4 7th Jul 2018 10:16

Bordeaux starts 25th july

DC3 Dave 7th Jul 2018 11:47

Just spotted this article regarding an incident on Thursday. There seems to be a contradiction regarding what happened to the pax. Does anyone know?

Emergency plane landing at Stansted after bird strikes Southend easyJet craft on way to Malaga | Echo

tophat27dt 7th Jul 2018 11:55


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10190780)
Just spotted this article regarding an incident on Thursday. There seems to be a contradiction regarding what happened to the pax. Does anyone know?

Emergency plane landing at Stansted after bird strikes Southend easyJet craft on way to Malaga Echo

One of the passengers said the flight was eventually cancelled outbound and inbound. Refunds were offered. I think a replacement aircraft positioned empty from (Nice) later in the evening to operate the following days schedule. This time of year I imagine it's not so easy to find empty seats and get back home.

SEN Observer 7th Jul 2018 17:28

Stobart AGM
 
Andy_S - .Thanks for the details. Would have thanked you earlier but have been out all day and only just seen it.

Andy_S 9th Jul 2018 08:38

So, the results are in. And Ferguson survives – just. 51% to 49%.

In what seems to have been a chaotic and bad tempered AGM, a motion was also raised from the floor to re-appoint Andrew Tinkler as a director – and was narrowly passed. However, from what I’ve read, if I understand correctly, it seems that the re-elected board immediately dismissed him again……..

The question is – will Tinkler now cease and desist, or will he and his supporters regroup and continue their campaign.

Falcon666 9th Jul 2018 09:06


Originally Posted by Andy_S (Post 10192157)
So, the results are in. And Ferguson survives – just. 51% to 49%.

In what seems to have been a chaotic and bad tempered AGM, a motion was also raised from the floor to re-appoint Andrew Tinkler as a director – and was narrowly passed.

The question is – will Tinkler now cease and desist, or will he and his supporters regroup and continue their campaign.

I sense this is not the end of the story, there appears no harmony at all in Stobart at present.
Looking to diversify the shareholder base in the future is fine but at the moment , with two camps not prepared to give an inch , this is only going to drag on in Public I fear.

SEN Observer 10th Jul 2018 10:40

I was listening in on the radio this morning and the tower called up Air Malta advising that their slot time was 09:00 (10:00 our time) to which Malta replied that they couldn't make that as they had not commenced boarding due to congestion in the terminal. And Ryanair hasn't arrived yet!! A sign of things to come?


mikkie4 10th Jul 2018 12:46

someone has posted on another web site that SEN has planning permission to expand by 1/3rd so this might not be a future problem, don't think if there was a problem RYAN AIR wouldn't have based 3 air craft at SEN if the slots were not available

tophat27dt 10th Jul 2018 14:15


Originally Posted by SEN Observer (Post 10193218)
I was listening in on the radio this morning and the tower called up Air Malta advising that their slot time was 09:00 (10:00 our time) to which Malta replied that they couldn't make that as they had not commenced boarding due to congestion in the terminal. And Ryanair hasn't arrived yet!! A sign of things to come?


the flight departed at 1020 so I suggest they hadn't completed boarding on schedule because of security checks also on the Palma and FlyBe outbound flights. Not a regular glitch I think.

tophat27dt 10th Jul 2018 14:16


Originally Posted by EssexMan61 (Post 10193420)
Well - the Southend Airport website is as totally useless as ever. STILL states on their "Destinations" page that Carlisle flights commence September 2018. Truly, truly, pathetic.

I think the person who updates the website is part time and pops in once a month, so be patient. Lol

EssexMan61 10th Jul 2018 14:27

Yes - tophat - I think you are on the right lines! I just think that it is a really poor show that in this digital day and age they can not do better.

SEN Observer 10th Jul 2018 16:09

Carlisle
 

Originally Posted by EssexMan61 (Post 10193420)
Well - the Southend Airport website is as totally useless as ever. STILL states on their "Destinations" page that Carlisle flights commence September 2018. Truly, truly, pathetic.

Have I missed something? Are Carlisle flights not now starting in September?


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