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Casadell 15th Jan 2020 08:09

The strange structures in the foreground are the footbridge that will cross the Thameslink platforms. Once erected the foreground will be free for the DART module to proceed towards the Hilton Hotel.

LTNman 15th Jan 2020 14:49

Thanks. I would never have thought of that answer.

ExpectmorePayless 15th Jan 2020 16:09

The wibbly wobbly bus shelter must be the most useless construction to date. :rolleyes:
It's blatantly too narrow to protect anybody from the horizontal wind and rain which​​​​ prevails the site for 9 months of the year.
Style over practicality. And no doubt will end up in a skip in a year or so once the DART enters service. :bored:​​​​​​

Falcon666 15th Jan 2020 17:54


Originally Posted by ExpectmorePayless (Post 10663741)
The wibbly wobbly bus shelter
Style over practicality. And no doubt will end up in a skip in a year or so once the DART enters service. :bored:​​​​​​

Ironic really , given the rest was practicality over style and that also got derogatory remarks.

LTNman 15th Jan 2020 20:14

Interesting video for some of just how busy Luton was on Christmas Day during the morning peak as someone is dropped off in the under cover drop off zone and ends up catching the Level flight to Amsterdam. The filming continued through the security area where filming is meant to be banned.

PAXboy 16th Jan 2020 18:10

We do people film like that? Are they hoping to catch a problem and sell the footage? When we went through LHR T3 in September, there was a man recording his bags being cling wrapped ... I must be old.

pabely 16th Jan 2020 18:30

Airport access road from North & East
 
So what will happen to the £4M Vauxhall Way project?
Part of the development will be paid for by the £1.2m grant from South East Midlands Local Enterprise Partnership (SEMLEP), which has to be used by March 31st

LTNman 16th Jan 2020 20:23

The £4 million cost is just the tiny bit by Hitchin Road. For the total cost you can add a zero to that figure as half a hillside has to be dug out opposite IBC. I had the figures somewhere so I will try and dig them out. The council seems to be on a mission to cut down every tree in the east of Luton. Even the Cemetery had all its trees cut down and don't get me started on our Park.

https://i.imgur.com/STBnjUA.jpg

The council were clever. They put out barriers and dug a small hole before the locals kicked off because they were not consulted which stopped the work in its tracks. I am guessing that because the work was started any funding will remain in place although no one else has come up with that theory. Can't think of any other reason why the Council would start a major road project and then not tell anyone.

Oh and those roadworks in the photo was the power cables going in for the Dart. They must have run a mile of cable to a substation.

LTNman 20th Jan 2020 08:40

Might be old news and I have missed it but Wizz now carries more passengers out of Luton than Easyjet so have become the airports biggest carrier.

Also over 17,000 passengers used the airport on Christmas Day

LGS6753 22nd Jan 2020 15:22

From Airline Route:
Wizzair starting LTN-VIE once daily from 1st July with A321 in competition with EZY.
W62879 VIE1715 – 1840LTN 321 D
W62880 LTN1920 – 2240VIE 321 D

Edited to add: it looks as though EZY will not serve LTN-VIE after March 2020

1sky 22nd Jan 2020 15:31


Originally Posted by LGS6753 (Post 10668830)
From Airline Route:
Wizzair starting LTN-VIE once daily from 1st July with A321 in competition with EZY.
W62879 VIE1715 – 1840LTN 321 D
W62880 LTN1920 – 2240VIE 321 D

Edited to add: it looks as though EZY will not serve LTN-VIE after March 2020

I might be wrong but I recall that W6's VIE-LTN being announced last November.

pabely 22nd Jan 2020 18:56


Originally Posted by 1sky (Post 10668833)
I might be wrong but I recall that W6's VIE-LTN being announced last November.

Yes it was, EZY currently 4 weekly, can't remember if it was daily in S19 but it is an increase in capacity on route.

LDNLTN 23rd Jan 2020 07:04

Terminal
 
I don’t often post on here but I do have my concerns. Being someone who currently works within the airport terminal, I notice a number of jobs still have not been complete interior wise. Also when there is a massive influx of passengers passing through, the main departure lounge area gets rather crowded. Also in terms of aesthetics, it looks very rushed and tacky inside the terminal.

I know that the new master plan states the current terminal being expanded again, and a new two story section will be built onto the back of the existing departure lounge. Could someone please explain what they actually plan or any rumours about the current terminal building and improvements still to be made. Personally I would love to see ceiling for one downstairs and improved flooring but they are minor.

LTNman 23rd Jan 2020 09:11

Where do I start. Maybe I should cover this in a construction update. Anyone notice the fire exit that has been closed off due to building work by the terminal entrance? On the subject of evacuation safety, if there was a panicked evacuation in the summer morning peak passengers could be penned in by the barriers to keep passengers out of the bus station bays and the balcony barriers that fronts the bus station. Just think of the Hillsborough disaster. The airport plans to reduce the pavement further by building a small angled extension at the front by the underground service road.

At the back of the terminal by what was the temporary outsize baggage area, that before that was check-in desks 200-210 or some such numbering, has been closed off, as has most of that end of the terminal apart from a route to the baggage storage room and the new outsize baggage area. No idea what is going on but there is no hurry and construction seems to be taking place by one man and his dog. I am not expecting much but after the customer agents desks were moved this has freed up space so maybe those check-in desks are coming back with a deeper passenger queuing area as it was very compact before and was hardly ever used. Don't know of any planned terminal extension at this end of the building as there is nowhere for it to go.

On the roof of the old 1960's terminal that can just be seen, a new barbed wire topped 4 or 5 metre fence is being erected. Why it needs a barbed wire fence to replace low safety barriers when it is on a roof is anyone guess but would maybe indicate the roof is becoming airside for some reason, which seems strange, as why make access for contractors so difficult as they would then need airside access.

Just in front of that by the terminals main entrance the whole area has been concreted over and this is now the bin storage area for the terminal. I don't know if this is an additional area to the one in the underground service area but it is partially hidden by the builders temporary fence as they are still on site. Not a great advert for the airport to see a mass of large dustbins and cardboard compactor machines by the side of a passenger entrance.

As for the ceiling on the ground floor, enough said. It was never finished apart from the bit above where the Princess Royal stood last year as I suspect the council was ashamed of the exposed pipework.

LDNLTN 23rd Jan 2020 10:21


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10669338)
Where do I start. Maybe I should cover this in a construction update. Anyone notice the fire exit that has been closed off due to building work by the terminal entrance? On the subject of evacuation safety, if there was a panicked evacuation in the summer morning peak passengers could be penned in by the barriers to keep passengers out of the bus station bays and the balcony barriers that fronts the bus station. Just think of the Hillsborough disaster. The airport plans to reduce the pavement further by building a small angled extension at the front by the underground service road.

At the back of the terminal by what was the temporary outsize baggage area, that before that was check-in desks 200-210 or some such numbering, has been closed off, as has most of that end of the terminal apart from a route to the baggage storage room and the new outsize baggage area. No idea what is going on but there is no hurry and construction seems to be taking place by one man and his dog. I am not expecting much but after the customer agents desks were moved this has freed up space so maybe those check-in desks are coming back with a deeper passenger queuing area as it was very compact before and was hardly ever used. Don't know of any planned terminal extension at this end of the building as there is no where for it to go.

On the roof of the old 1960's terminal that can just be seen, a new barbed wire topped 4 or 5 metre fence is being erected. Why it needs a barbed wire fence to replace low safety barriers when it is on a roof is anyone guess but would maybe indicate the roof is becoming airside for some reason, which seems strange, as why make access for contractors so difficult as they would then need airside access.

Just in front of that by the terminals main entrance the whole area has been concreted over and this is now the bin storage area for the terminal. I don't know if this is an additional area to the one in the underground service area but it is partially hidden by the builders temporary fence as they are still on site. Not a great advert for the airport to see a mass of large dustbins and cardboard compactor machines by the side of a passenger entrance.

As for the ceiling on the ground floor, enough said. It was never finished apart from the bit above where the Princess Royal stood last year as I suspect the council was ashamed of the exposed pipework.

As for the toilets aswell. They are diabolical; run down and tatty compared to other airports which I have used. It’s surprising aswell to hear people complain about the lack of jet bridges especially when it’s raining or windy. But then again it is a low budget airport and we can only wait and see what they do which I doubt will be much.

Spanish eyes 23rd Jan 2020 17:33

Yes I agree, it is always a real eye opener watching the latest batch of Wizz and Blue Air passengers arrive and depart. I often point out the smoking areas to the EU masses that smoke by the two entrance but 90% just carry on and don’t give a sh** or they don’t speak a word of a English so give the impression that they don’t give a sh**

compton3bravo 23rd Jan 2020 18:05

On 20 May an era will come to an end when the airport will close from 0000 to 0500 so that the runway can be redesignated presumably to 25-07.

pabely 23rd Jan 2020 18:32


Originally Posted by Spanish eyes (Post 10669648)
Yes I agree, it is always a real eye opener watching the latest batch of Wizz and Blue Air passengers arrive and depart. I often point out the smoking areas to the EU masses that smoke by the two entrance but 90% just carry on and don’t give a sh** or they don’t speak a word of a English so give the impression that they don’t give a sh**

Is that the EU masses arriving from the newer Wizzair routes to Porto, Tenerife, Oslo and soon Vienna?

pabely 23rd Jan 2020 18:34


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10669678)
On 20 May an era will come to an end when the airport will close from 0000 to 0500 so that the runway can be redesignated presumably to 25-07.

Closer to my old days using 24/06 !

Spanish eyes 23rd Jan 2020 19:56


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 10669697)
Is that the EU masses arriving from the newer Wizzair routes to Porto, Tenerife, Oslo and soon Vienna?

No not there, further east I would say but I can’t say where as the R card will be waved.

_aax1 23rd Jan 2020 20:23

[QUOTE=Spanish eyes;10669648]Yes I agree, it is always a real eye opener watching the latest batch of Wizz and Blue Air passengers arrive and depart. I often point out the smoking areas to the EU masses that smoke by the two entrance but 90% just carry on and don’t give a sh** or they don’t speak a word of a English so give the impression that they don’t give a sh**[Your

EU masses? You’ll probably find British passengers flying to Benidorm in their masses in that smoking area. Pretty sure they’ll do the same in Alicante and won’t speak a word of Spanish when they get there either.

darren1 23rd Jan 2020 21:10

[QUOTE=_aax1;10669760]

Originally Posted by Spanish eyes (Post 10669648)
Yes I agree, it is always a real eye opener watching the latest batch of Wizz and Blue Air passengers arrive and depart. I often point out the smoking areas to the EU masses that smoke by the two entrance but 90% just carry on and don’t give a sh** or they don’t speak a word of a English so give the impression that they don’t give a sh**[Your

EU masses? You’ll probably find British passengers flying to Benidorm in their masses in that smoking area. Pretty sure they’ll do the same in Alicante and won’t speak a word of Spanish when they get there either.

So true, but that won’t stop a certain element on here turning a blind eye to that fact.

Manx 24th Jan 2020 05:23

[QUOTE=_aax1;10669760]

Originally Posted by Spanish eyes (Post 10669648)
Yes I agree, it is always a real eye opener watching the latest batch of Wizz and Blue Air passengers arrive and depart. I often point out the smoking areas to the EU masses that smoke by the two entrance but 90% just carry on and don’t give a sh** or they don’t speak a word of a English so give the impression that they don’t give a sh**[Your

EU masses? You’ll probably find British passengers flying to Benidorm in their masses in that smoking area. Pretty sure they’ll do the same in Alicante and won’t speak a word of Spanish when they get there either.

Exactly, you can walk through the smoking area and clearly hear English/estuary accents. It should be no suprise that when the airport has lots of foreign passengers travelling through that they are also doing the same. It's a disgusting habit regardless of their nationality. It's unfortunate and an embarrassment that a thread about an airport attracts the same disparaging posts about Eastern Europeans customers every couple of months.

Spanish eyes 24th Jan 2020 05:56

Glad I didn’t mention the words E*****n E******n then. It is a sad fact though that it seems to be a problem focused on our continental friends to take note of the signage that ardornes the front of the terminal. The English speakers are in the main the odd staff member who should know better. Same issue in the new undercover drop off area but then I would think the bigger danger comes from car tailpipes.

_aax1 24th Jan 2020 06:59


Originally Posted by Spanish eyes (Post 10670041)
Glad I didn’t mention the words E*****n E******n then. It is a sad fact though that it seems to be a problem focused on our continental friends to take note of the signage that ardornes the front of the terminal. The English speakers are in the main the odd staff member who should know better. Same issue in the new undercover drop off area but then I would think the bigger danger comes from car tailpipes.

You didn’t need to, its the inference of your post. I assume you work at the airport? Just remember it’s all those ‘EU masses’ that most likely keep you and the vast majority of Luton’s staff employed.

AirportPlanner1 24th Jan 2020 07:34

It’s just the state of this country I’m afraid. I met a passionate Brexiteer who desperately wants us to stop immigration because it’s “ruining the country” but they live in Spain and didn’t see any contradiction in that. It would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad.

LTNman 24th Jan 2020 10:19

Not only by the terminal entrances is there a disregard for the signs. All four were puffing away today but then the airport does provide a bin for the dog ends despite the ban.
https://i.imgur.com/0jpdXZm.jpg

Dannyboy39 24th Jan 2020 14:34

On the overcrowding issue in departures, why not renumber the gates and give each pier Ax (gates 1-18), Bx (gates 19-28) and Cx (gates 30-50). If it says “go to A gates”, I’m sure many more people would find seats in the older part of the terminal.

Is that just too simplistic to do?

Kiltrash 24th Jan 2020 17:27

When I last used LTN we used public transport, none of this drop off thievery and through Security OK. Waited in the bar area and could see what would be out (Wizz) aircraft arrive and park up so we knew where the gate area would be and went there well before it came up on the screens
However I would agree with the above to get the customers to head for area and get them out of the Retail Therapy area

darren1 24th Jan 2020 19:39


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10670246)
Not only by the terminal entrances is there a disregard for the signs. All four were puffing away today but then the airport does provide a bin for the dog ends despite the ban.

And you have permission to break privacy laws to publish these photos online?

LTNman 24th Jan 2020 20:25


Originally Posted by darren1 (Post 10670641)
And you have permission to break privacy laws to publish these photos online?

I suggest you contact them then and see if they have an issue. While you are at it you can point out the no smoking signs and remind them of UK law.

Manx 24th Jan 2020 20:57


Originally Posted by spanish eyes (Post 10670041)
glad i didn’t mention the words e*****n e******n then.


Originally Posted by spanish eyes (Post 10670041)
further east i would say but i can’t say where as the r card will be waved.

🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

Boeing737-8 30th Jan 2020 12:05

Wizz
 
Tenerife goes from 3 weekly to daily on the 1st June.

New route to Gran Canaria from the 4th June. (3 weekly)

LTNman 30th Jan 2020 15:45

To add seats and routes other seats or routes will have to be dropped for this year. I never did establish whether each airline is allocated seats they can trade or even if there is a market to sell seats between airlines.

Dannyboy39 30th Jan 2020 16:58


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10675522)
To add seats and routes other seats or routes will have to be dropped for this year. I never did establish whether each airline is allocated seats they can trade or even if there is a market to sell seats between airlines.

Or it just reaffirms how much of a b0llocks policy it is?

lutonboi 30th Jan 2020 17:04

Wizz
 
I’m sure I read somewhere that Wizz acquired a load of slots from TUI, so probably just filling them

LTNman 30th Jan 2020 17:41


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 10675601)
Or it just reaffirms how much of a b0llocks policy it is?

Planning law is planning law but we all know that Luton Borough Council will be approving the planning application by their partner LLAOL as the planning system is corrupt in Luton when it comes to planning applications by LLAL or LLAOL. For 2021 expect the capacity to have increased to 19 million with a further relaxation of night noise limits also being approved. No real point in the councillors turning up apart from claiming their allowances as this is just a rubber stamp exercise that they are obliged to vote on. Just hope they keep awake.






1sky 30th Jan 2020 19:30


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10675522)
To add seats and routes other seats or routes will have to be dropped for this year. I never did establish whether each airline is allocated seats they can trade or even if there is a market to sell seats between airlines.

The evening SOF flight is moving to LGW.

Boeing737-8 30th Jan 2020 20:23

Looking like Sofia evening flight is staying at LTN. LGW flight is an additional flight on top of the 3 daily from LTN.

Smpl 2nd Feb 2020 00:09

Total passengers 2019
 
According with caa statistics, the total passengers of 2019 was 18,213,901. The airport only can increase in 4.3% in order to reach 19MM.

When the airport could start the new expansion of the old terminal?


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