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Spanish eyes 13th Mar 2018 11:10

Many years ago Luton had light aircraft based at Luton but as the airport grew they were pushed out to make way for more bizjets and airliners.

Now there are just the first signs that there is a squeeze on the FBO's. Signature lost exclusive use of the pond and will soon have to give up the aprons around their second terminal.

Harrods leased extra stands on the south stands to help ease pressure on their aprons but that is set to end in a few weeks time.

Gulfstream have outgrown their Hangar at Luton are are reported to be leaving soon.

Now Luton's is set to ban bizjet movements overnight for the four summer months due to noise issues thus turning Luton into a limited opening hours airport for biz jet movements. With slots tight at other times the biz jet could become an endangered species.

Planespeaking 13th Mar 2018 11:42


Originally Posted by Spanish eyes (Post 10082019)
Many years ago Luton had light aircraft based at Luton but as the airport grew they were pushed out to make way for more bizjets and airliners.

Now there are just the first signs that there is a squeeze on the FBO's. Signature lost exclusive use of the pond and will soon have to give up the aprons around their second terminal.

Harrods leased extra stands on the south stands to help ease pressure on their aprons but that is set to end in a few weeks time.

Gulfstream have outgrown their Hagar at Luton are are reported to be leaving soon.

Now Luton's is set to ban bizjet movements overnight for the four summer months due to noise issues thus turning Luton into a limited opening hours airport for biz jet movements. With slots tight at other times the biz jet could become an endangered species.

Looks like Stobart's newly opened multi million FBO Jet Centre at SEN could be a good investment.

LTNman 13th Mar 2018 11:58

The quest to build new airport hotels continues. The airport has 5 hotels including the one by Parkway. The 6th is under construction now with a plan to turn the airport offices within the CTA into hotel number 7.

A planning application has just been submitted for hotel number 8 to be located between the fuel farm and the Ibis hotel. The site contains the former Spittlesea Hospital that will be demolished.

There was an application made last year to convert the building including the building next door into flats.

boeing_eng 13th Mar 2018 13:42

Looks like Stobart's newly opened multi million FBO Jet Centre at SEN could be a good investment.

Southend has a published night movement limit of 120 per month.....Don't think that will bring in hordes of new business!

As it stands, London could well become Biz Jet free at night during the peak Summer months!

LGS6753 13th Mar 2018 14:39

LTNman -

Presumably hotel no 9 will be the Monarch building?

Planespeaking 13th Mar 2018 15:25


Originally Posted by boeing_eng (Post 10082147)
Looks like Stobart's newly opened multi million FBO Jet Centre at SEN could be a good investment.

Southend has a published night movement limit of 120 per month.....Don't think that will bring in hordes of new business!

As it stands, London could well become Biz Jet free at night during the peak Summer months!

What are the restrictions at Biggin and Farnborough for night movements then?

horatio_b 13th Mar 2018 15:30

Biggin open weekdays 0630-2300; weekends/public holidays 0800-2200
Farnborough open weekdays 0700-2200; weekends/public holidays 0800-2000

LTNman 13th Mar 2018 18:15

Interesting NOTAM


A0917/18 NOTAMN
Q) EGTT/QFALT/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5152N00022W005
A) EGGW B) 1806010500 C) 1809010600
D) 0500-0600
E) ZERO INBOUND FLOW RATE APPLIED
The way I read this is that between 06:00 and 07:00 local time from 1st June until 1st September there will be no inbounds allowed. I assume this has something to do with the busted noise limits and the letter sent by the airport to the operators. Wizz often arrive early but this will hit the biz jet community more.

A0503/18 NOTAMN
Q) EGTT/QFAXX/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5152N00022W005
A) EGGW B) 1802081438 C) PERM
E) LOCAL TRAFFIC REGULATIONS SECTION 1 AIRPORT REGULATIONS
ADD TEXT BELOW AS NEW LINE (M)
AIRCRAFT OPERATORS ARE INFORMED THAT THE USE OF DECT 6.0 VERSION
CORDLESS PHONES OPERATING ON THE 1.9 GHZ FREQUENCY IS PROHIBITED AT
LONDON LUTON AIRPORT.
UK AIP EGGW AD 2.20 REFERS
So what is that all about? Why would airlines have dect phones that would be connected to a landline rather than mobiles.

compton3bravo 13th Mar 2018 18:25

I would suggest that there will be no night ban as such but no AD HOC movements. The meaning of ad hoc means 'not pre-planned' but I might be wide of the mark on this. Further comments by people more in the know would be appreciated.

pabely 13th Mar 2018 19:49


Originally Posted by LGS6753 (Post 10082199)
LTNman -

Presumably hotel no 9 will be the Monarch building?

No, not from what I have heard!

pabely 13th Mar 2018 19:54


The way I read this is that between 06:00 and 07:00 local time from 1st June until 1st September there will be no inbounds allowed. I assume this has something to do with the busted noise limits and the letter sent by the airport to the operators. Wizz often arrive early but this will hit the biz jet community more.
Remember we are BST or GMT+1 in Summer months

Don't we have NHT closing soon for a while, OK that had no night movements but their daytime movements will have to go somewhere!

Barling Magna 13th Mar 2018 20:01


Southend has a published night movement limit of 120 per month.....Don't think that will bring in hordes of new business!
The night limit starts at 2330 though, so there's a clear 90 minutes extra than Luton's 2200 limit. SEN might squeeze some in then.

commit aviation 13th Mar 2018 20:35

Compton3bravo:
S18 slot allocation has effectively been completed. So if you don't hold a slot for a service at this point, any request would now be considered "ad hoc".

Broadly speaking, scheduled & charter carriers apply for a series of flights for all or part of the season through this allocation process. Exec operators can & sometimes do apply for slots during the allocation process however the nature of their operations means they usually apply days or maybe hours before the flight is due to operate.

compton3bravo 13th Mar 2018 20:47

Thanks for that Commit.

LTNman 14th Mar 2018 06:07

Luton has a separate shoulder limit for the hours between 06:00 and 07:00 of 7,000 movements per year. I am not sure what the QC limit is but the QC limit would cut down the 7,000 movements. This notam covers this period.

Spanish eyes 14th Mar 2018 09:19

So to recap for the private jet operator from June 1st. No departures or arrivals overnight. No arrivals between 6:00 and 7:00 and then a fight to pick up a slot due to the Wizz arrivals and the Easyjet departures.

Not looking good is it:confused:.

boeing_eng 14th Mar 2018 13:42

Its all down to whether Signature and Harrods have managed to get any non ad-hoc night slots which they can then allocate to customers....I'm sure they will have certainly not taken this lying down!

pabely 14th Mar 2018 19:35

See these new restrictions are to preserve what was declared back in October.... https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...eclaration.pdf and will probably effect people returning from footie matches in Moscow during FIFA World Cup

Buster the Bear 14th Mar 2018 23:19


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10082392)
Interesting NOTAM



The way I read this is that between 06:00 and 07:00 local time from 1st June until 1st September there will be no inbounds allowed. I assume this has something to do with the busted noise limits and the letter sent by the airport to the operators. Wizz often arrive early but this will hit the biz jet community more.


So what is that all about? Why would airlines have dect phones that would be connected to a landline rather than mobiles.

I would guess that there is potential to interfere with navigational/radio equipment, especially if the product might be non-conforming, so putting out a higher power broadcast than rules permit. Baby monitors made in China were a massive issue for ATC in the past.

Why are folk on here surprised about the squeeze on biz? Writing has been on the wall for years. Niche market and Stansted will be forced into similar in good time.

robbie1973 15th Mar 2018 06:56

Thomas Cook
 
According to announcement on Routes online this morning Thomas Cook are planing new routes to Fuerteventura and Innsbruck for this coming winter. Although there’s nothing advertised on their website at the moment.


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