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LTNman 12th Dec 2017 06:30


Originally Posted by 1sky (Post 9986961)
If I was to take a wild guess, all this soft language about exploring the capacity of other landholdings will eventually look something like this.

I think you are close to the mark with your drawing although you have shown a supersized terminal around 4 times the size of the 1999 terminal. In reality for another 18 million passengers the new terminal would be much smaller.

planedrive 12th Dec 2017 08:37

Very surprised not to see Gibraltar added next summer.

pabely 12th Dec 2017 10:17

So was I but I'm sure these new routes were well into planning before MON went under so maybe later? Some ex-MON Luton based crew would have been useful here but EZY are looking at more leased airbuses so perhaps waiting for them to be secured.

Lee Baker Street 12th Dec 2017 12:25

2018
 
Next year there will be over 30 new services as Wizz have yet to announce their new routes and Easy has not yet finalised their programme.

If Thomas Cook have a good summer then they might consider a winter operation?

Lee Baker Street 12th Dec 2017 12:32


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 9987205)
I think you are close to the mark with your drawing although you have shown a supersized terminal around 4 times the size of the 1999 terminal. In reality for another 18 million passengers the new terminal would be much smaller.

I agree with LTNman that your terminal is far too big, by reducing its size would allow for piers to be built with stands for between 18 and 24 A/C.

southside bobby 12th Dec 2017 15:36

Lee Baker Street...
A very healthy figure stated for new services to be started how does the MON demise affect that number?.

whitelighter 12th Dec 2017 15:40


Originally Posted by lutonboi (Post 9987191)
New routes from Luton

Palermo
Reus
Genoa
Thessaloniki

Yay Reus! Nice to have some choice other than Ryanair and Jet2

LGS6753 12th Dec 2017 16:11

SSB -

afaik MON only served a couple of destinations from LTN without competition, those being Stockholm (recently) and Gibraltar.

In mid-November Wizz announced new destinations of Larnaca (ex-MON), Tirana, Bratislava, Talinn and Lviv. Ten days later, they announced the acquisition of the MON slots, so presumably there is more to come.

compton3bravo 12th Dec 2017 16:18

Not all of them, just some. Just a thought I wonder if Wizz might start Athens as they are going to expand their services from there next year.

southside bobby 12th Dec 2017 17:38

Thanks for the response & info LGS6753.
Will be interesting how numbers in ALL categories will compare 2018 over 2017.

LTNman 12th Dec 2017 18:06

So with the LLAL/council looking ahead 30 years to 2050 with a new masterplan for next summer what happens in 2020 when the airport is probably full again?

LDNLTN 12th Dec 2017 18:57

Wonder if we'll see the pier added for the south apron but the possibility of jetways being introduced to the existing terminal seems very slim. I'll eat humble pie if they do but Luton cannot simply survive with low-cost airlines, way too much competition then. We'll need to see a wider markets opened up. As said before, Luton would be able to operate 787's since they have better takeoff performance from shorter runways and Bristol clearly shows that with TUI doing transatlantic from Bristol's 6,500 ft runwayand Luton's is just under 500ft longer so can't see why that couldn't be done. Also the A32Xneo series also have better takeoff performance so destinations further afield should be achieveable.

As I was saying about Jetways, they'd bring a much wider variety into Luton therefore the airport will be able to reach its full potential. Even if they added 2/3 to pier A then a couple to pier B it'd be better than none surely. We'll just have to wait and see though what happens.

pabely 12th Dec 2017 19:01


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 9987943)
So with the LLAL/council looking ahead 30 years to 2050 with a new masterplan for next summer what happens in 2020 when the airport is probably full again?

Still more pain before gain.

Herts not to happy https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/op...ncil-1-8287630

Is this an ideal time for Herts to come onboard in some way and bring in Bucks.

Beds already working with Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Northamptonshire & Cambridgeshire on The Cambridge-Milton Keynes-Oxford (CaMkOx) arc so is this ideal time for infrastructure powerhouse???

compton3bravo 12th Dec 2017 19:08

Same old, same old from Herts CC. Wonder how many who live in Hertfordshire fly from Luton? Quite a lot I would imagine.

ericlday 12th Dec 2017 20:28

Yes, I do !

pabely 13th Dec 2017 10:18

When I did there were plenty of neighbours who were drivers, crew, airport cleaners, chauffeur drivers and engineers, many still are.
Herts CC sometimes forgets that LLA is a big employer. When BAe closed Hatfield airport many found employment at Luton.
Hatfield now could have been the FAB of North London and the likes of Signature, Harrods and others could have been consolidated there freeing up slots, but I won't start up about that little bit of history.

southside bobby 13th Dec 2017 10:39

With you with the sentiment at least if only as it has become the standard universal,seen everywhere,housing & business style park.
Several historic buildings listed happily.
A FAB sandwiched tho between LTN & STN would have been "interesting" however in ATC terms.

Lee Baker Street 13th Dec 2017 11:36

Monarch demise
 

Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 9987762)
Lee Baker Street...
A very healthy figure stated for new services to be started how does the MON demise affect that number?.

The fact is southside, the demise of Monarch (who was actually my favorite airline) will have no bearing on next years figures, in the sense from now on Luton will maintain continued growth. Whilst approximately 870,000 passengers have been lost, Ltn's other airlines operating to most of Monarchs routes will carry them instead.

Wizzair has yet to announce new routes.

EasyJet has more aircraft to be based at Luton. I anticipate A/C 24 will join the fleet soon (unless it is already here), and a further 6 more over a couple of years.

LGW and LHR are possibly so saturated that only STN and LTN can offer any further growth in this region.

The only thing that has 'ever' stopped LTN's development is finance and imagination! But the tide is now turning. The most important factor is that jobs will be produced that will benefit the unemployed from Harpenden to Henlow, St Albans to Silsoe, Luton to Loughton, Stevenage to Sandy and all the other towns, villages and hamlets local to the airport.

22/04 13th Dec 2017 11:57

Towards the end of activity at Hatfield Luton radar effectively handled the inbounds.

In coming years outbounds wouldn't be a problem either. Surely we will have all tower ops at say Swanick within15 years with visibility provided by cctv.

pabely 13th Dec 2017 12:06

I remember it well and the ATC boys did a good job keeping the VFR traffic away from multiple inbounds to Luton 26 & Hatfield's 24 when they were all buzzing the Brookmans Park Stack or transiting to Elstree.
I remember on busy days Hatfield's inbounds were directed to Barkway rather than attempting VFR!


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