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gilesdavies 28th Nov 2017 11:41

Heard nothing about that...

Are you sure you are not confusing it with the LGW slots, where apparently easyJet, Norwegian and IAG were all fighting for them, and in the news headlines the Luton slots just happened to fall in to the same sentence/paragraph?

I don't think the Luton slots are worth a great deal, and unlikely to get the same news coverage.

I am still confused with the Wizz Air expansion announcement last week and if this was in part, them taking on some of those slots.

With easyJet having to work out a strategy for post-Brexit and them taking over a large chunk of Air Berlin and having to absorb this into their business model. I wonder if they are that bothered about further expansion from Luton and Gatwick for next year, as they seem pretty busy as it is!

LGS6753 28th Nov 2017 17:19

In view of their contraction in UK-Europe services for 2018, I can't see Norwegian opening a new base at Luton.

LGS6753 28th Nov 2017 17:40

I think this has been noted before, but AirlineRoute are reporting an increase in Wizz LTN-Sibiu from 5 to 7 weekly from 23 Jun18.

Buster the Bear 28th Nov 2017 22:48

The new BRAVO taxiway is not meant for 26 landing aircraft to vacate as a normal procedure. The 130 degree turn off the runway would probably slow vacating down. The low cost taxiway is primarily designed to alleviate holding for 08 departures.

LTNman 29th Nov 2017 03:49

Except that is where all landing traffic will exit the runway as the former exit point will be prohibited from being used by landing traffic unless ATC give permission to use it which has been NOTAMed.

Looking at the angle of the taxiway to the runway it certainly hasn’t been optimised for maximum use of the runway.

22/04 29th Nov 2017 08:07

At some foreign Airports a preferred exit is given on the ATIS e.g. "landing aircraft should vacate at N7 when possible" could this be introduced when Luton is on 26 and would that meet the ATC requirement

compton3bravo 29th Nov 2017 08:45

I know Luton needs some divine intervention sometimes but not sure about angels LTMman!

DC3 Dave 29th Nov 2017 09:23

Why a taxiway? Everyone knows angels are capable of VTOL.

southside bobby 29th Nov 2017 16:20

Reporting states WZZ have swept up ALL the MON slots at LTN...

Boeing737-8 29th Nov 2017 16:29

More expansion from Wizz, the reports have said that the slots will allow them to base more planes in LTN. This is on top of the original 4 (2 extra based aircraft).

cj241101 29th Nov 2017 17:17

Powdair
 
I understand their main financial backer has pulled out so, unless they get finance from another source very quickly their planned winter schedules won't be happening. Start up date was 11th Dec.

Boeing737-8 29th Nov 2017 17:40

WOW, has been confirmed Wizz air will go to a base with 7 aircraft, yes you just ready that SEVEN!!!!. Where next on the route map for Wizz is the massive question?

davidjohnson6 29th Nov 2017 17:50

Luton airport management should be getting worried at this point about how vulnerable they are now to the whims of just two airlines.
Easyjet should be worrying that they will cease to be the airport's sole 800 lb gorilla compared to all the other airlines and will therefore no longer always be the first airline that Luton contacts when asking for opinions from airlines

For those not familiar with the term (and no I am not suggesting Easyjet do anything illegal - just that as the major player they have probably been able to get their way more often than maybe minor airlines)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/800-pound_gorilla

southside bobby 29th Nov 2017 18:08

Yes...With the MON slots to WZZ & more importantly the associated night parking,just where does this leave the much anticipated EZY expansion at LTN for next year?.
Have they been out played both at LGW & LTN or is there a general change of strategy concerning London?.

ClearLand08 29th Nov 2017 18:37

It will be interesting to see if Wizzair maintain their Summer 2017 level of 13 / 14 arrivals between about 7am and 8am when they have 7 based aircraft. Or if they replace some of the existing off-peak rotations with the new early morning departures. Personally I don't think we are going to see total number of daily flights increase by the maximum amount - at least not if they keep to their model of Eastern Europe only. Another question is if they venture into traditional Monarch holiday destinations... and if not, there is a massive gap there for other airlines to fill.

wallp 29th Nov 2017 19:01

Wow, Wizz are going to be very close to easyJet's percentage of flights at Luton with this expansion. It does make Luton very dependent on both airlines though I guess thats no different to Stansted's reliance on Ryanair, Gatwick's reliance on easyJet and now a resurgent BA?

I wonder what new routes and frequencies will be added as a result of this Wizz expansion?

LGS6753 29th Nov 2017 19:15

The first wave arrivals of WZZ suit as the clocks in Eastern Europe are 1 - 2 hours ahead of UK, thereby allowing WZZ to make better utilization of their aircraft. If UK-based aircraft went east at (say) 0630 UK time, they could be losing an hour or two every day.
This could be solved by WZZ serving destinations further west from LTN.

davidjohnson6 29th Nov 2017 19:17

Looking at the S17 start of season report from ACL, market share of the top 10 airlines at Luton by ATM across the 7 month period was:

Easyjet 44.1%
Wizzair 28.9%
Ryanair 8.9%
Monarch 4.9%
Blue Air 3.1%
Vueling 2.7%
Thomson 2.7%
DHL 1.5%
El Al 1.1%
Transavia 0.5% (now left the airport)

A combination of WIzz + Monarch would have been expected to control 33.8% of ATMs at the start of S17. Add Easyjet and we find 77.8% of summer ATMs are in the hands of just 2 airlines.

Note to pedants - yes the percentages don't quite match due to rounding differences

southside bobby 29th Nov 2017 19:23

hehe...will all resist starting their posts regarding WZZ with WOW...that is the airline due to commence STN...You are making me jump haha.....Great/fantastic/fan dabby dozy for instance are not airline names at present.

Lee Baker Street 29th Nov 2017 19:53


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 9973350)
Yes...With the MON slots to WZZ & more importantly the associated night parking,just where does this leave the much anticipated EZY expansion at LTN for next year?.
Have they been out played both at LGW & LTN or is there a general change of strategy concerning London?.

I see LTN airport preparing for it's next faze which is to build a further 15--18 new stands with a satellite building that will provide for the next generation of growth.

The building may have tinted glass with hints of orange and be self efficient.

Don't forget that IAG may use the LGW slots for growth of Iberia, Vuelling, Aer Lingus and British Airways companies.

Just maybe, Easy will now be looking for continued growth from it's spiritual home base...


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