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It certainly seems odd that the CGN management encouraged a CGN-SEN route while being in the final stages (presumably) of negotiations for Ryanair to set up a base at CGN. The proposed route network must surely have been discussed.
I don't see it as damaging to the Flybe/Stobart Air operation, it having caused a sensible but annoying change of plan well before operations commence, as there are probably other substitute destinations which didn't quite make it to the final six. |
While I agree that it will not be a major hiccup in the grand picture of things, it nicely shows the problems of franchising a brand. The media will now report along the lines "Flybe's new route to CGN cancelled after only six days". "Flybe axes new Cologne link before it even started" - and this with Flybe being totally innocent and not involved at all.
I guess we can be sure that CGN will be crossed off the airport map hanging in the Stobart office for the foreseeable future :} |
Did I say it was the wrong decision? Err don't think so. Think before you post your silly childish comments, as looking down your nose at people in a superior manner does you no favours.. They had no choice but it does show how vulnerable the airline is to that big Essex airport. There is a saying "we don't have problems, we only have solutions" but when it comes to SEN you only raise problems, in this instance, that have already been resolved with the cancellation of the referred to route. And as for your claim that I make silly comments, how silly, s your comment referring to SEN as "that big Essex airport"? |
:sad::sad: Oh dear you are confused, that big Essex airport I was referring to was Stansted and not Southend.:sad::sad:
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that big Essex airport I was referring to was Stansted And my local airport is "IAO" ... Apparently work has begun on extending the runway whilst some runway lighting, navigational aids, and a fuel truck might also be appreciated :) |
Stansted is big compared to Southend and that was the point I was trying to make although I seem to have lost you. Also Luton is not on top of a hill.
I think you need to visit the UK more often as Geography is not your strong point.:ok: |
Hi guys. Despite rumours that this is a heavily censored forum, I always welcome news and views....but please don't start bitching at each other again. It's so boring. Thank you.
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tophat27dt Your comment is spot on. I don't normally bite back when some ignorant clever dick is rude to me. I apologize to everyone here including the mods. :ok:
Does anyone know if Stobart Air is being loaned money from the banks or is all the start up costs coming from in house? |
It really doesn't matter as far as funding is concerned. Stobart have invested £millions into Southend. As they are listed on the Stock Exchange, investors will require a profit as dividend and/or share price.
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How difficult is it in practice to set up a route and associated schedule and have it ready with publicity for a launch in June to replace SEN-CGN ?
Feasible (just) or completely pie in the sky ? |
With apologies to davidjohnson6 for seeming a bit petty - Cologne was not actually due to commence until July - so that gives a little extra time to re-jig things!
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This is, by the way, the email customers have received with a booking for SEN-CGN:
Dear Flybe Customer, Booking Reference: XXXXXX We are writing with regards to your booking as referenced above. We regret to inform you that Stobart Air have taken the decision not to proceed with the planned Cologne London Southend service, on which you were scheduled to travel. This decision has been taken for commercial reasons. All passengers who have made bookings on this route will be fully refunded, or offered an alternative service between Birmingham and Cologne. Please can you contact the Customer Call Centre on 0871 522 6178 (calls cost 10p per minute plus network extras) or +44 1392 683147 from overseas quoting your Flybe booking reference XXXXXX to discuss the options available to you. On behalf of Flybe, please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience this decision may cause. |
Why take just a franchise fee when you can sell your own seats.
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With others getting the SEN thread shut down, this is a good thread with which to get genuine Southend news in through the back door in a more coordinated way. The title could relate of course to the airline, or the airports Stobart Air operate.
Please just leave the trains and the airports geography out of it though - and let any serial antagonists have their say and ignore them. So Skywork are moving over at the end of the summer. Will be interesting to see how loads hold up, or the extent to which ticket prices are reduced with a move from LCY. Anything else of note from the last couple of weeks? |
Skywork is very interesting indeed, hope it works well for them, I'm sure it's going to be much cheaper for them to operate from SEN.
Nothing of note but I'm looking forward to seeing how the stobart routes are doing at SEN in their first month! |
Stobart seem to be a serious player.
- they invested in decent facilities at SEN - realizing they had a success on their hands, they've invested in further terminal expansion - they have attracted 4 completely new airline operators in under 2 years - EZY, RE, BEE and now Skywork. Has any other airport achieved that? - they have invested in RE and brought them in to SEN - now they have sold a big chunk of their haulage business and will concentrate on bio-energy and aviation Let's hope they are financially strong enough to remain independent, and that they manage to turn a profit sufficient to fund their investment, and give shareholders a return. |
No mention of CAX in that rundown - they're certainly persistent but there must be a point where you're throwing good money after bad
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Let's hope they are financially strong enough to remain independent No mention of CAX in that rundown Does CAX not have a runway, an ATC service, a terminal, a car park etc., why does Stobart need planning permission for a mega freight distribution warehouse before it may start a passenger air service? |
Additional Caen Flights
In addition to the 4 x weekly flights already on sale, Tuesday and Saturday flights have been added to the SEN-CFR schedule which starts next week. These additional rotations will operate from 26 July until 23 August.
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Does CAX not have a runway, |
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