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jabird 13th Jul 2012 23:49


It's hard to doubt that LBA-LHR will be a success
Actually, I wasn't expecting to see any of the shorter routes coming back, given how LHR charges / APD / faster train services kill most of the centre to centre market, and that Leeds is still not Manchester.

So in that respect, well done BA, good luck with the new route, may it be a great success.

The other thing with LBA is that it is a busy enough airport, but few feeders into other hubs - no AF / CDG, no LH / FRA. How much business demand is there for the M4 corridor area ex LBA? That is where the train is rubbish.

Again, we can only speculate on future infrastructure, but with a 3rd, short runway at LHR, then maybe CAX would be one to consider - but still long after INV / NQY etc.

So DND could take a 318 or E70/95? Given the existing LCY route, would BA move around a/c just to serve this and maybe one or two other places (GCI)?

Aero Mad 13th Jul 2012 23:51


So DND could take a 318 or E70/95? Given the existing LCY route, would BA move around a/c just to serve this and maybe one or two other places (GCI)?
Ah ha. You forget the dreaded unions, who wouldn't allow it just to be sticks in the mud. Otherwise Cityflyer could expand through the roof with 195s and replace the 737 operation at Gatwick rather smoothly.

jabird 13th Jul 2012 23:58


The removal of the Lake District region stops and the reduction of Carlisle stops makes an air link more viable.
Yes, but if the removal is done to win more business to Glasgow, and suddenly they start losing bucketloads of pax at CAX, they would just put some of the stops back!


But does the train win on price?
Well we don't have sample air fares to compare.

But I was looking at doing Dumfries to Coventry at the end of next month, and that one train a day that stops at Rugby (thus giving me a Virgin rather than an XC fare) is about half the price of the others - £15 in total!

I don't buy the argument that planes are cheaper for domestic travel - some places some of the time will always cost less, especially if you are comparing a quiet morning with low yield against the ridiculous walk up fares.

As there's no such thing as a walk up plane fare, most like with like, including cost of getting to airport / station will favour the train.

Unless you happen to be selling anti-rust paint to Southend Pier!

Tagron 14th Jul 2012 08:19

This thread is becoming increasingly out of touch with reality. Time to close it down perhaps and revert to the original Carlisle thread when there is further news of Stobarts planning application (August 3 ?), or if there is some enlightenment from any statement that might accompany Aer Arann's formal announcement of their ATR72 order.

onyxcrowle 14th Jul 2012 13:34

carlisle/southend
 
The original thread doesn't work . We now have this one

vulcanised 14th Jul 2012 14:19

What's wrong with it?

Works for me.

SWBKCB 14th Jul 2012 15:51

And for me

http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...-carlisle.html


Some useful background reading here.

onyxcrowle 14th Jul 2012 16:01

carlisle/southend
 
It comes up page not found


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