I don't think either FR or BE have their Summer 2013 schedules on sale yet, at least not in full. FAR too early to come to any conclusions about what they will or won't offer

Now I havent agreed with Jumpseater in the past, however his post is spot on TimmyW. Everything is pure speculation, and knowing how commercial departments tend to keep tight lipped for good reason. How someone at an unnamed (Freepress?) paper would be privy to so much stuff that you claim is way beyond me.

You have speculated yourself pug.

And then there is the comment that an agreement with a new loco has been signed. Absolute nonsense!

I have, however I like to think that people know when Im speculating, and they can take it or leave it. For Instance, I can say with a degree of certainty that there will be an announcement about routes from HUY very shortly, but I can speculate that they will probably not end up actually happening..

Who said new Loco?

If you read Jumpseater's post, he states clearly that someone he knows at DSA said they have recently signed a contract with a loco.

I can safely say, this is not correct.

Note he didnt specify who, possibly Wizz having just renewed a contract? Possibly tge multitude of low cost airlines they have probably been talking to.

I will only believe you are correct when this elusive article actually appears, and it is based on hard evidence.

Pug
Think you will find out Wizz have renewed contract for DSA & LPL just turned the screw a bit just like all LOCO,s .

TW
No you can't say that's not correct, you are wrong again.

I have made a statement of fact.

Someone I know who works at DSA whom I spoke with today, says that DSA have recently signed a contract with a LoCo.

That is a factual statement, read whats written, not what you think is written.

If however, you are making a statement of fact, (I'll concede statistically the odds of that are possible, however remote), that no deal has been signed, it would mean you are in a senior commercial position within the DSA 'group', otherwise you wouldn't know that for a fact. You would have also just released what would be considered by any airport or airline onto a public forum, sensitive commercially confidential information. On that basis I think it likely that
a/ You're telling porkies ...
b/ You've just invented an exciting and novel way to claim your P45 ...



Pug, I know we've crossed words in the past, however, ta for that.

Doncaster Free Press to run a special report next week with regards to the decline and future of the airport.

New name.....same old schtick......

Thomas Cook expanding at DSA for S13
 

Thomas Cook has added a 2nd weekly flight to Dalaman, as well as a new flight to Enfidha (Tunisia) operated by Nouvelair.

TCX S13 programme out of DSA :

Mon - DLM (TCX)
Tue - PMI (TCX)
Fri - DLM (TCX) and PMI (TCX)
Sun - NBE (BJ)

5 weekly flights so far! Well done, TC!

It would be nice to see also Bodrum (in a W with a Turkish carrier) :ok:which has been by TOM or an additional Greek destination not served anymore by TOM (e.g. Heraklion or Zakinthos).

I flew from DSA this morning on business to Gdansk. I was struck by how full the carpark was. I had to park in the small extension beyond/ to the side of the carpark exit.

Although negativety takes pride of place on here, you wouldn't realise that around 800k per year use the airport and so the car park should look fairly full this time of year.

Tri*
Ohh I don't know, for example I'm positive Timmy is in the current vernacular of my daughters, 'owned' by this thread, with a staggering number of 'epic fails' in his postings.


We were told that an announcement that Wizz starting at Manchester was only days away on the fifth September.
destinations
news

Perhaps they've forgotton to add Manchester with all the excitement about launching Tel Aviv. Still I can still get to Gdansk next year from DSA, suits me.


Doncaster Free Press
3rd week with nothing about it Timmy, looks like you're 'owned' by your contact too.


NB 'Owned has become part of standard slang, and typically follows severe defeat or humiliation, usually in an amusing way'

I must admit, I thought the news would have come sooner.

As for the extra Thomas Cook flights, I wouldn't expect these to happy now as they have had a U Turn at HUY and will be operating from there too now.

Still nothing on the cards in terms of good news for DSA. Next summer will see less passengers than this in all likeyhood as it doesn't seem FlyBe or Ryanair will be returning with any flights.

DONCASTER SHEFFIELD
 

Tell us what other tales of doom you have ? . Is it that when as you clearly want that dsa is converted into a mega shopping centre , with the Vulcan on a pole outside , that the world will be invaded by grey skinned aliens with a passion for turning cows inside out ??

Dont talk daft.

It is obvious Peel only ever acquired the site in order to get their hands on the land. Do you ever wonder why LBA, EMA and even now HUY are getting new routes but DSA haven't had a new route announced for a good 18 month. There is zero chance of any expansion, only more loses.

Its way too early to know what Ryanair are doing next year.

I'd be interested to see whether DSA features in plans for the relaunched bmi regional..

The problem with DSA and this also applies to a number of Regional Airports is the continual reduction of passengers using the airport.The question that you should be asking yourself is why would an airline introduce new routes to airports which have falling passenger figures.DSA at the moment has negative growth and the downward trend seems to be growing.Would new routes attract more people through the airport terminal?That is the sort of question that the likes of Thomas Cook,Thomsons and Ryanair will be asking themselves.At the end of the day they are there to make money.The likes of Newcastle,Leeds,East Midlands and Manchester are still increasing passenger numbers. So if you were managing an airline where would you introduce new routes?I'm sure it would be at an airport which is increasing its terminal throughput despite the recession.

DONCASTER SHEFFIELD
 

If BMI regional was to offer any routes I would expect Aberdeen , The airport had been chasing that on the route shop .
But again I would say what's needed is a well timed and frequent route to Amsterdam

Too near HUY, LBA and EMA for Aberdeen to work, HUY is popular due to the connecting helicopters, no helis at DSA

onyxcrowle
Easyjet tried it for about 9 months but couldn't make a success of it.Why would anyone else want to try again if Easyjet couldn't make it work?

DONCASTER SHEFFIELD
 

Too large an aircraft , Didn't they use an a320 ?
If BMIR use an EMB135 it might work better

The timings were poor for the Easyjet flights to AMS. And most of the reason of negative growth at the airport is because services are being pulled. The flights that do operate are well used if press statements are to be believed.

Apart from the AMS flights, the DSA load factors were quite good for EZY

Cessna opens Citation service centre in UK
 

Looks like Cessna have opened their first UK Citation service center at Doncaster.

Cessna opens Doncaster Citation service centre - Corporate Jet Investor

Using existing Kinch facility - wonder whether they will continue to service competitor's aircraft (Beech KingAir)?

Kinch had a high number of bizjets in but with the rebranding to Cessna I think there will be a much higher volume coming through...

Any more prophecies Timmy? Now Flybe have confirmed next summer....

Still nothing in the paper. Wizz, Thomson and Flybe staying, increase from Thomas Cook.

Work now starting on the link road.

Certainly.
Hearing Thomson are wanting to axe their winter schedule.

Could be partly backed up that the Paphos flight has now been axed, with no flights out on a Wednesday now.

Aircraft is being utilised elsewhere.

Mark my words, it will be closed in 3 years.

TimmyW - it seems surprising that Thomson would axe their winter schedule when the clocks go back and the winter season begins less than 10 days away. Perhaps you could provide something a little stronger to back up what you've heard ?

This was direct from a Thomson crew member.
Seems strange that days later the Paphos route is axed. Seems the aircraft can be better used elsewhere which was the reason I was given too.

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Hearing Thomson are wanting to axe their winter schedule.

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Seems strange that days later the Paphos route is axed

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Odd then that you can book flights in March 2013 on a erm, sort of a Wednesday sort of day.


In my experience, (rather than using my invisible mates piece of toast that says 'Thomson Cancel' when you shine an unlit torch through it), these flights, are often a sign of a reasonable comittment between the parties concerned.
Thomson Flights


Just remind us when Wizz start at Manchester?

You'll find Paphos doesn't operate November through to March. So what exactly is the aircraft going to do on a wednesday in those months?

The airport isn't sustainable. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

Thomson had an aircraft at DUB in the summer that didn't operate Monday to Thurday.

Its more cost effective for TOM to ground the aircraft. Its paphas in winter its not exactly ACE, TFS where they are worm. You saving airport charges, fuel costs as well as crewing. One day not operating dosn't mean they are leaving DSA. I bet there is other bases in the UK where aircraft do operate on selected days.

Timmy, let me just remind you what you said.

So now you're 'owned' by a Thomson crew member who is privvy to the full commercial intentions of the TUi group, despite the Thomson group having a clear bookable schedule throughout the Winter at DSA.

If the airport isn't sustainable, why does my source tell me theres more cargo coming?

Why has Cessna, who lets face it, are probably more commercially aware than yourself, come out with this statement?
Joe Hepburn, Cessna senior vice president, Customer Service, said: “Our European customers have been asking for modernization and paint capabilities.

“Our announcement this month of new Citation Service Centres in Spain and now the UK means we can now offer these services for the more than 1,070 Citations currently operating in the region. We are extremely excited about the benefits these facilities will deliver for the region’s Citation fleet.

“The location of the Doncaster facility has been popular with our European customers and the centre has a proven record of high-quality customer service.”


With your proven track record of 'epic fails' whom should we believe more?, you? or a multi billion dollar company who already have been measuring up their site for increases in capacity? You know, a company already advertising for new staff Looking for a career in the Aviation Services industry? | Kinch Aviation Services


Oh, by the way, this is what your mate at the Doncaster Free Press had to say about it ...
Aviation firm brings jobs hope to Doncaster - Business - Doncaster Free Press
Note the picture too, :D another 'epic fail' from Timmys 'quality' sources.:8

Well Timmy is right in saying that the passenger stats for DSA are not good reading at the minute.

Thomson's have dropped there Wednesday flight to Paphos. This will leave the airport with just 1 flight operating on a Wednesday this winter. , It surely dose beg the question as to what might happen if Thomson’s new base up the road at LBA out performs DSA next summer?
Ryanair have nothing on sale for this winter where as they operated flights to Tenerife last year. And still nothing on sale next summer yet from DSA, but its known that ryanair are normally late at releasing there summer schedules. So there is still hope that both the GRO and TFS routes could be retained for next summer.
Flybe have reduced the Jersey route from 3x to 2x weekly next summer season.
Wizz Air now look to be staying at DSA. But they have reduced some frequencies on some routes this winter compared to last year’s offerings.
Thomas Cook will increase there offerings next summer with extra 2nd weekly flights to both PMI and DLM along with a new route to NBE.

So it’s not all doom and gloom on the passenger flight front. Even though we know it could be a whole lot better. The fact that DSA can now also boast at having the new Cessna Citation Service Centre on site which is the only one in the UK is good news and it should do well.
No Cargo movements are planned at the moment, but hopefully DSA might gain more Cargo movements when the economy picks up, but they will have stiff competition from both EMA and MAN
Oh lets not forget Vulcan 558 will be operating for 1 last season next year as well.

I know from reading the DSA thread that anything that TimmyW says is not taken seriously by most of you but a Cessna Service Centre and extra cargo will not sustain the airport.The only way to make the airport sustainable is more passengers through the terminal which means more flights and additional routes.The question is how does the airport achieve this.The general trend at DSA at the moment is on a downward spiral.

TOM aircraft not flying 1 or 2 days a week is not unusual at a regional base, NCL, CWL, EXT also has no flights on a wed, BOH wed & sat.

The facts speak for themselves.
The number of passenger routes are declining year on year. No new routes (barring one or two from Thomas Cook) are being added. Airlines are not interested in operating from DSA. Link road or no link road, it isn't going to make a difference.

How can a passenger airport survive when on some days there will be one departure? It can't.

If anyone can suggest how or when this situation will change then go ahead, but the facts speak for themselves.