DONCASTER SHEFFIELD
 

Rumours of new routes and cargo developments to be announced in a few weeks. Have seen it posted on 2 other forums.

Believe it when I see it though!

Im a vocal supporter of the airport but sadly I will believe it when I see it. For example the airport rushing to announce that forgettable little airline running to Amsterdam.
Out of interest do you have some web linke to these 'rumours'?.
Also I have tried to find the Doncaster thread on here but can't Any ideas what happened to it?

I'd be happy for anything, but can't see more than a 1 x weekly sun route being trumpeted as something new.

DONCASTER SHEFFIELD
 

I guess a freight one is possible , after all HUY in terms of airliners gets Icelandair , Maybe them or that sort of Ilk once a week . As for a passenger service that's anybody's guess . But the loss of BMI baby that has hit other airports hard kind of shows that the DSA style of small but solid airline lists was a better idea . I'd hate to thing what the naysayers would have said then .
Of the more likely candidate airlines , perhaps monarch or klm .
Might be nice to see links to these sites mentioned by the op

Big demand for fish flights in Doncaster now? :E

lol ** rolls eyes** Icelandair was an example, But hey why not I mean I'm sure they eat fish in South yorkshire. :P

Some of the best chippies in England and before you say it I live west of Pennines

Ian

Exactly!. Though the chippies here (yes this is off topic) Are no where near as good as those Back in proper Yorkshire and Scotland wherre I lived. And they tasted better served in newspaper and greeseproof paper. (Flipping health and safety!).Back on topic though, I must admit I don't actually know how come Iceland air come to HUY with Fish when of course it is close to the North sea ports in Grimsby. So perhaps it isn't too strange that Dsa could also be a 'plaice' for them ;) < had to do that gag .
Also I wasn't in the area when it opened but was TNT there at the start?. Maybe they will be back.
As for passenger services Monarch I guess like I said earlier, But as much as I want to see a very busy airport, I doubt the likes of a big expansion from Ryanair is exactly what we need. They often seem to have a spat at random with an airport and suddenly pull out. So where do we find a nice stable airline, Willing to stay and bring some useful non bucket and spade routes?.

Why Monarch?

Large food industry in the area, particularly in Grimsby. However the flights arent actually operating at the moment.

Why not. Ok what airline would you think?????

Monarch have just announced new bases and routes at both EMA and LBA, therefore does DSA really make any sense?

I wouldn't get your hopes up on route expansion.The airports biggest worry must be keeping Thomson flying from dsa.The sunshine routes Faro,Alicante,Malaga and Mallorca are all dropping passenger numbers.If this continues for the summer season then the dsa mgmt have a big problem.The only airports expanding around your catchment area are man,ema and the lba.Thomson has never been a great lover of the lba but if the number of passengers continue to fall,they will go else where to make their profits. Thomson have already announced expansion from Leeds for the summer 2013 season.

The reason for the dropping passenger numbers on the flights you mentioned are because there are less flights to those destinations.

I agree though, if Thomson were to pull out it would in my opinion be the death of the airport.

Hopefully the rumors come to fruition. I highly doubt it though. I think it will be many years before a new airline comes to DSA, if they ever do.

It would be nice to think that with the recently more assured future of BMIr, DSA may have the potential of attracting them to offer sustainable connections to a hub airport at some point in the future. I'm not sure if they will continue to be a part of an alliance though?

DONCASTER SHEFFIELD
 

Perhaps . Which hub though , heathrow ? AMS , Frankfurt or Paris . If we got very lucky all of the above and Copenhagen . It would be a short flight to heathrow but prob slightly longer than MAN-LHR so it's poss . If for argument pug they did what kind if Ac would they be Emb or the airbus stuff . Does bma/BMI still have Emb

Heathrow, no. AMS unlikely. FRA and CDG would make sense, but like I say, I'm not sure if the new owners will retain any alliance membership or codeshares. I believe BMIr have a fleet of EMB regional jets.

I was merely making a suggestion that the new owners of BMI Regional are hinting at route expansion but nothing specific has been mentioned, so that in no way means DSA is in the running. Will have to wait and see.

Frankfurt would be a good one, But they would have to make sure the schedules better than the Easyjet AMS services.
It's such a pity they didn't make that work, But then an Airline running as you say the smaller EMB aircraft would no doubt be able to.
I guess continue the airport's current thing of small measured growth. Find a HUB/route folk would use on a daily or whatever basis. Use a small A/C and go from there!.
Out of interest though, How would it work anyway if say, (dont shoot me down fir suggesting the airline im using it as an example). DLH was to provide an Emb 170 or 135 type to FRA for the large number of onward connections. Do the passengers not have to check in when they get to frankfurt two hours before say a flight to JFK leaves FRA?. in Which case for a decent service to remain to be offered from DSA and be used etc, Im guessing it would have to be aquite an early one. Or is it different for a connecting flight. Im not that familiar with that side of things. But for example you see ETD flights landing at IOM which are just codeshares, But under the same flight numebrs etc. I find it a bit confusing.

DSA certainly needs extra flights, as a PPL holder I'm amazed at the number of AT movements a day for the size of the airspace. I was refused entry a couple of months ago & I only wanted to clip the NE corner of the airspace. Aparently a single Wizzair on approach to 02 means a non transponder equipped airctaft overhead Gainsborough tracking North at 3000ft has to do an immediate descent to below 1500ft to stay outside the airspace, ludicrous! With only 5 or 6 AT inbounds a day you would think they would encourage private traffic.

I now have a working Mode S but won't be going near DSA again as I don't want to be used as justification for the large amount of controlled airspace. Rant Over!:ugh::ugh:

I agree HOODED, always descending to 1500 before the Trent en_route Humberside to Gamston to avoid Doncaster CAS and rarely noticed any significant movement, only to call inbound to HUY overhead Brigg to be told to orbit Elsham due to commercial/helicopter movements. HUY does not have CAS yet seems to manage well enough with more movements than DSA.

Weston taking the FBO from Signature next month.

Weston Aviation wins FBO concession at Robin Hood Airport Doncaster Sheffield

I see work on the link road which will provide a better transport route to the motorway starts in August. Doubt this will have any bearing on new airlines coming in.

does any one know why there is a manx2 flight arriving from the isle of man tomorow at 8:50 am for

Timmy W posted on the Leeds thread, and I'm sorry I don't know how to link:

If so, that would be rather unfortunate to say the least. Have Thomson published a Summer 2013 programme yet?

DONCASTER SHEFFIELD
 

Yes all flights are bookable right up to the end of October 2013 I just check availability and did a dummy booking for sharm on 28th October 2013 they have the same destinations as this year and maybe one more in turkey . So let's try be positive for DSA ;)

As I sarcastically implied on the other thread, Timmy (or whatever moniker he's chosen today) is hardly the most reliable source of information, so take what he says with a bucket of salt.....

DONCASTER SHEFFIELD
 

I missed the sarcasm there lolcc

The rumor of Thomson pulling out of DSA has been going round for a long time, and this adds more fuel to the fire. They have been steadily scaling back their DSA operation.

DSA won't be operation in a few years as a passenger airport. 4 outbound flights today in the summer season. Airlines just are not interested. There is only one way it will go.

From Flightstats - 7 flights departing between 6.00 am and 9.25pm.

Is 7 enough to keep a commercial airport sustainable in the long term? Most of the catering and shopping outlets in the terminal have closed because there simply isnt enough footfall to keep them open.

Something has to change soon for DSA.

surely with so few flights, DSA can not be profitable?

It isn't. It loses an obscene amount of money.

Airports losing airlines and money seems to be Peels expertise right now at LPL! MME and now DSA. I was speaking to a chap at Peel who was suggesting they may dump their airport portfolio at some point in the next 3 years if things continue. To them, infrastructure and finances blue assets are important. Their airports can be borrowed against and fund large scale developments elsewhere, that's where the financial advantage is. But the benefits are no more.

DSA won't be operational as a passenger airport in 5 years time. And i'll have a wager with anyone who thinks it will be.

If Peel do decide to offload them, you could see someone taking over LPL but not DSA.

TimmyW, I'll have a wager with you.

Peels estimates are that in order to break even or their operations at MME, DSA and LPL based on current operational footprint - each needs to be handling:

MME - 550,000 PPA
DSA - 750,000 PPA
LPL - 3m PPA

It was reported not long ago in the Doncaster Free Press that DSA was losing £1 million every month. Give it a few years and DSA won't be handling anywhere near 700k pax.

The issue comes not to the pax numbers but who is paying what. DSA sees more than 750k PPA but makes a loss... It's a figure based on airlines paying the fee schedule, which we all know doesn't happen.

I hear that Queenie Airlines are looking at the various Peel Airports - MME, DSA and LPL.

Five years? I remember someone saying that when it first opened, and here we are, seven years later.

I do wonder if the management at DSA did something to offend Timmy in the past: that amount of hate for something as trivial as an airport surely can't be good for ones health!

Peel have already sold 67% of its to business to a company that is 50% owned by the Citigroup.

Who are Queenie Airlines?

Peels other fields.
 

I dont think Timmy has anything against the airport. Its Peel who everyone is looking at. The situation is even worse at MME (dtv).

It was only a few months ago that they informed the public in the north east that airports didnt fit in with their greater plans!

The public outcry and a look at what they had been doing at MME (splitting the airport in half) made them do a swift U turn.

Peel got MME for £500k! Hundreds of acres of prime building land for only £500,000 with a false promise of spending millions... sound familiar?

A bit of History into Peels tactics and spin.
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