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Originally Posted by EI-A330-300
(Post 9823988)
Shame to see them ending early but W routes are always a pain for operators. If they are not making money they are not worth it.
The 21.99 rescue fare by FR tells it's own story. |
By that argument then if they were flying from BFS still everything would be well.
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This is about Aer Lingus and their dalliances with Northern Ireland - not about BFS or BHD.
Presume they must have a load of seats still to sell to Spain this summer out of Dublin with not only a lot less northerners going to DUB, but more and more people from ROI using Belfast as a departure point because of the exchange rate. Solution for Aer Lingus - can your Belfast departures in the height of the season and try to give people already booked with them little choice but to go on their Dublin flights. It's nothing new. They turned up on Belfast transatlantic services just after the nineties ceasefires in NI and once they were satisfied nothing too challenging was going to happen from Belfast they ran back to Dublin under cover of the 9/11 aftermath. Then they rocked up in a blaze of glory in 2007 when the DUP and Sinn Fein co-joined to make a go of Government in NI and once the economics turned sour they gradually drew back from that preferring to promote their Dublin flights to NI based customers. Predictable history is only repeating itself again now. They have no interest in Belfast, unless they feel there is a reason to have a presence here to mind their established market in Dublin. Given current general uncertainties and dynamics no doubt there'll be further examples of their Hokey Cokey approach yet to come! |
Originally Posted by mart901
(Post 9824275)
By that argument then if they were flying from BFS still everything would be well.
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I totally agree on that point yes
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I think it's worth remembering it was only ever a matter of time before EI went to BHD, IAG would never have had them operating from both. I'd say next year we'll see FAO and AGP as they seem to be the most popular sunshine routes for EI. On the point of disregard for Northern Ireland I'd say EI have a disregard for anything outside DUB, in the same way as BA have disregard for anything outside London.
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I don't think IAG had anything Directly to do with Aer Lingus going to BHD in 2012.
Rather BA had just taken over BMi and Aer Lingus already had a relationship / codeshare with BA, thought that BA management would just fold up short haul and hand the Heathrow and Gatwick feed to a 'partner' to monopolise from Edinburgh, Belfast, Manchester, Glasgow .. At that point Aer Lingus were just trying to establish pole position for that day. BA didn't actually do that, and now five years on, things with BA and EI have progressed another stage. On your point about disregard outside Dublin, this is exactly why NI air travellers should treat Aer Lingus with considerable cynicism - and for that matter arguably BA too. They don't have the track record of Flybe, easyJet or Jet2 from Belfast. |
In fairness through I know people who have been left high and dry by EZY cancelling routes out of MAN and we all know FR's record in the not too distant past on such matters.
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Granted, but no one does the will they / won't they lack of respect for Belfast flyers quite so prolifically as AerLingus.
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[QUOTE=mart901;9824309]In fairness through I know people who have been left high and dry by EZY cancelling routes out of MAN and we all know FR's record in the not too distant past on such matters.[/QUOTE In general Flybe and Easyjet have been loyal to the Northern Ireland market. As for the 2 carriers from Dublin they treat us with the same level of respect as Shannon Cork and the other regional airports in The Free State. London Airways not much better either!
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A couple of thousand people left in the lurch by Aer Lingus and you say it is a shame that they ended early. It is an absolute disgrace and it looks like the Consumer Council are going after them. It shows the Aer Lingus arrogance that they think they could take on Easyjet from the "higher yield" City Airport and win! Throw Ryanair and Jet2 in as well and game over. I don't recall EI saying anything about higher yielding airport in NI. Awful soar grapes over a commercial decision! This is about Aer Lingus and their dalliances with Northern Ireland - not about BFS or BHD. Presume they must have a load of seats still to sell to Spain this summer out of Dublin with not only a lot less northerners going to DUB, but more and more people from ROI using Belfast as a departure point because of the exchange rate. Solution for Aer Lingus - can your Belfast departures in the height of the season and try to give people already booked with them little choice but to go on their Dublin flights. It's nothing new. They turned up on Belfast transatlantic services just after the nineties ceasefires in NI and once they were satisfied nothing too challenging was going to happen from Belfast they ran back to Dublin under cover of the 9/11 aftermath. Then they rocked up in a blaze of glory in 2007 when the DUP and Sinn Fein co-joined to make a go of Government in NI and once the economics turned sour they gradually drew back from that preferring to promote their Dublin flights to NI based customers. Predictable history is only repeating itself again now. They have no interest in Belfast, unless they feel there is a reason to have a presence here to mind their established market in Dublin. Given current general uncertainties and dynamics no doubt there'll be further examples of their Hokey Cokey approach yet to come! |
Assume if your handle is anything to go by, we can expect a balanced assessment!
Who actually mentioned Ryanair here?? They're still flying passengers from Belfast to Spain this summer, while Aer Lingus are leaving local NI travellers in the lurch mid-season. Take it on the chin and concentrate on something that's defensible. |
Quite the conspiracy theory.
I'm afraid anything will work to help you deny that the market simply isn't there, and they Aer Lingus simply don't want to fight off EZY, RYR, Jet 2 and others. |
Originally Posted by AerRyan
(Post 9824400)
Quite the conspiracy theory.
I'm afraid anything will work to help you deny that the market simply isn't there, and they Aer Lingus simply don't want to fight off EZY, RYR, Jet 2 and others. |
Originally Posted by West Brit
(Post 9824417)
There is a market, just too many seats put up!
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Assume if your handle is anything to go by, we can expect a balanced assessment! Who actually mentioned Ryanair here?? They're still flying passengers from Belfast to Spain this summer, while Aer Lingus are leaving local NI travellers in the lurch mid-season. Take it on the chin and concentrate on something that's defensible. Just pointing out not everybody in NI uses EI ex DUB and if anything FR are the biggest carrier f pax ex NI at DUB. |
Originally Posted by EI-A330-300
(Post 9823988)
Shame to see them ending early but W routes are always a pain for operators. If they are not making money they are not worth it.
The 21.99 rescue fare by FR tells it's own story. |
Originally Posted by GAZMO
(Post 9823521)
Looks like FR picking up the mess that EI have left customers in
Passengers angry over Aer Lingus cancellations - BBC News |
Belfasts favourite airport ?
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As the only airport in Belfast surely it is both Belfast's favourite and least favourite airport? Or does Belfast include Antrim in your world?
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Originally Posted by cuthere
(Post 9825435)
As the only airport in Belfast surely it is both Belfast's favourite and least favourite airport? Or does Belfast include Antrim in your world?
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Tongue. Cheek.
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Well we have a choice of airport and for that I am grateful.
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So lets leave aside all the politics of which airport is best etc etc save to say there are still 2 commercial entities that are in healthy competition and we are not dealing with a duplicate government dept that can be consolidated at the whim of some faceless civil servant. :cool:
Would anyone have a crystal ball and predict where NI aviation will be in 10 years time, if thats a bit ambitious maybe 5 years! I wonder will Aldergrove be another Heathrow by that stage, maybe Harbour will be a small biz jet airfield and Eglinton will be???? Or maybe it will just be groundhog day with the same old arguments and debates, I suppose that is one thing we are all experts at in good old Ulster.:p |
Well Pan... I would suggest that if the current model exits then margins will be tight at both facilities, thus no real investment at both apart from little capital projects here and there within each facility. Thus stagnant!
What I would like to see is BHD closed and turned into a useful urban space - which would make much more money for the current owner than what is on offer at present. It would also improve the well being of 10,000s of folk living under the flight path at the moment. BFS would have to accommodate 8m passengers per annum in the current climate, thus would have to build a proper facility to cope. Public bodies would have to invest in infrastructure to and from the airport. Everybody happy! Belfast would become a normal city within aviation terms for the size of its market. Until that happens stagnation will be the norm. |
If I could dream then one airport for NI with proper infrastructure in terms of road and rail connections. Proper terminal building. Not to start a debate but I feel BFS is the better location. Now back to my dream 💤💤💤💤
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Eastern Airways announces Belfast - Newcastle route
A new regional air link is to be provided between Belfast City airport and Newcastle. Daily weekday flights are to be run by Eastern Airways from September 1. Fares start at £59 one-way, including taxes and charges. Eastern Airways started its first scheduled service from Belfast City earlier this year by securing the future of flights to the Isle of Man following the liquidation of Citywing. The new route announcement comes a month after Eastern Airways entered into a partnership with Belfast City’s largest carrier Flybe via a franchise agreement starting on October 29. Eastern Airways head of commercial Mathew Herzberg said: “This new non-stop service from Belfast City Airport is not only providing a convenient link to the busy commercial centre of Newcastle, but it’s also the gateway to the rest of the north east of England including Northumberland, Sunderland and Teesside. |
Don't get to excited. It's just the Ncl/Iom/Bhd routing Ncl/Bhd/Iom and vice versa.
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Originally Posted by DC9_10
(Post 9826456)
Don't get to excited. It's just the Ncl/Iom/Bhd routing Ncl/Bhd/Iom and vice versa.
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That's what I just said.
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Originally Posted by DC9_10
(Post 9826484)
That's what I just said.
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Originally Posted by BFS watcher
(Post 9826667)
Easyjet will be quaking in their Airbuses!
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EI have put AGP/FAO on sale for 2018 both start 1 May. Others may not return IMO but early days.
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Is this one month later than the start dates for this year? Think they started at the beginning of the summer schedule (late March 2017)
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Death by a thousand shamrocks going on.
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Yeah April start 4 or 5 weekly mostly.
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Originally Posted by BFS watcher
(Post 9834556)
Death by a thousand shamrocks going on.
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Easter on 1 April 2018 will not of helped in making the decision. If it was mid April I am sure they would of started earlier.
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Any word on the other routes EIA330-300
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No idea but given they are ending in August combined with the pain that W routes are one wouldn't hold out much hope.
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