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EI-A330-300 12th Dec 2015 15:13

A 767 is coming not confirmed operator/route yet.

In the last hour RY10/28 has been closed because of damage, current weather could make a quick fix difficult to hold. Update expected soon but unconfirmed reports of a hole.

EI-A330-300 14th Dec 2015 20:16

Transavia France will increase Paris ORY form 1 to 2 daily next summer, media suggest from September but not confirmed if it will be earlier. Great to see it doing well and FR wanted to fly twice daily but couldn't get slots recently.

SecondDog 14th Dec 2015 21:57


In the last hour RY10/28 has been closed because of damage, current weather could make a quick fix difficult to hold. Update expected soon but unconfirmed reports of a hole.
Just out of interest, I remember hearing a while ago that the main runway at DUB was to be resurfaced. Did that happen yet or still to go ahead?

What happened with the pot hole mentioned above btw?

AerRyan 14th Dec 2015 22:23

A departing aircraft reported a bit of debris on the runway and on inspection it was found that a bit of the runway have came up. Operations were then switched to RWY34 until 9pm that night while temporary repairs were made. Since last night RWY10/28 will be closed from 11pm-4am to facilite more permanent works on the runway.

RWY10/28 has never been resurfaced in my recollection, I think one is planned for around 2022 when the 2nd runway at Dublin will arrive. After RWY10/28 R opens RWY10/28 L will be closed for a full resurface.

racedo 14th Dec 2015 22:24


Originally Posted by EI-A330-300 (Post 9210497)
Transavia France will increase Paris ORY form 1 to 2 daily next summer, media suggest from September but not confirmed if it will be earlier. Great to see it doing well and FR wanted to fly twice daily but couldn't get slots recently.

Have a feeling a June start is likely as my mate in Dublin going to the Euro's in France and he already saying 50,000 expected to travel from Ireland.

Una Due Tfc 14th Dec 2015 22:40


Originally Posted by SecondDog (Post 9210581)
Just out of interest, I remember hearing a while ago that the main runway at DUB was to be resurfaced. Did that happen yet or still to go ahead

It was closed during the night for a large part of last winter to allow repairs/resurfacing. It's in rag order. Apparently it wasn't built properly in the first place, something to do with the foundations not being deep enough. That's one of the stories DUB ATC tell us anyway

Sober Lark 15th Dec 2015 08:28

The runway overlay was completed in 2010/11 and has a lifespan of 6 to 8 years. So a 'hole' (define) appeared 19 days ahead of schedule so not exactly unexpected. Any one care to guess when the next one is due?

ayroplain 15th Dec 2015 10:21


It's in rag order. Apparently it wasn't built properly in the first place, something to do with the foundations not being deep enough
So, wrong foundations, wrong orientation for prevailing winds and at least 1,500ft short. Good job.

Is it true they're going to allow an A380 service next year to rough it up even further?

Una Due Tfc 15th Dec 2015 10:56


Originally Posted by ayroplain (Post 9210995)
So, wrong foundations, wrong orientation for prevailing winds and at least 1,500ft short. Good job.

Is it true they're going to allow an A380 service next year to rough it up even further?

It's also narrow and too close to the bravo taxiways, so full 180 degree rapid exit taxiways couldn't be built.

A double deck airbridge is going in and the apron is being strengthened on the west side of T2 isn't it? Certainly points to imminent 380 ops. That'll be fun.

They'll hit the 25m pax figure needed to go ahead with the parallel runway this month. The original planning permission is still valid for another 2 years, IIRC that was for 3,110 meters? The latest plans I've seen are for 3,600 meters, I think there's a big debate going on ATM as to whether to bother with the longer plan as they would have to go through the whole planning application again and deal with all those narky residents and their legal objections. Also I seem to recall one of the stipulations in the original granting of permission was that the new runway couldn't be used before 8am? IE peak period 6-8 it would be closed. That really will need to change

Jamie2k9 15th Dec 2015 14:01


Transavia France will increase Paris ORY form 1 to 2 daily next summer, media suggest from September but not confirmed if it will be earlier. Great to see it doing well and FR wanted to fly twice daily but couldn't get slots recently.

Have a feeling a June start is likely as my mate in Dublin going to the Euro's in France and he already saying 50,000 expected to travel from Ireland.
7 to 12 weekly from 14 April

MON-FRI
DUB departures at 07.55 and 19.55
ORY departures at 06.20 and 18.20

SAT
DUB departure at 07.55
ORY departure at 06.20

SUN
DUB departure at 19.55
ORY departure at 18.20


It's also narrow and too close to the bravo taxiways, so full 180 degree rapid exit taxiways couldn't be built.

A double deck airbridge is going in and the apron is being strengthened on the west side of T2 isn't it? Certainly points to imminent 380 ops. That'll be fun.

They'll hit the 25m pax figure needed to go ahead with the parallel runway this month. The original planning permission is still valid for another 2 years, IIRC that was for 3,110 meters? The latest plans I've seen are for 3,600 meters, I think there's a big debate going on ATM as to whether to bother with the longer plan as they would have to go through the whole planning application again and deal with all those narky residents and their legal objections. Also I seem to recall one of the stipulations in the original granting of permission was that the new runway couldn't be used before 8am? IE peak period 6-8 it would be closed. That really will need to change
Apron work was scheduled anyway but would expect it would of needed to be in place to facilitate A380 though.

It was 23.00-07.00 closure and a capped number of arrivals between those hours on existing runway which may at this stage be exceeded. I can't see anything other than a new application at some stage next year.


The runway overlay was completed in 2010/11 and has a lifespan of 6 to 8 years. So a 'hole' (define) appeared 19 days ahead of schedule so not exactly unexpected. Any one care to guess when the next one is due?
The overlay is 2010/11 was not a full overlay, it was just a thin porous friction course to improve friction quality and extend life by 6 years. Some work further down was carried out but more problems since then.

During 2016/2017 a full structural bituminous overlay, nominally 200 mm thick with a new TPFC wearing surface. They predicted increased maintenance costs in 2015/2016 as TPFC comes to life end. When this work is done it's expected to last 15 years at a cost of 22 million.


Is it true they're going to allow an A380 service next year to rough it up even further?
There has never been a firm date.

Just a spotter 15th Dec 2015 19:05


Also I seem to recall one of the stipulations in the original granting of permission was that the new runway couldn't be used before 8am? IE peak period 6-8 it would be closed. That really will need to change
Condition 3 covers use of the proposed 28R/10L. It allows use from 7am, but limits the purpose (take off or landing) at all times to prohibit/restrict overflight of the coast on a track that isn't currently used;

"3. On completion of construction of the runway hereby permitted, the runways at the airport shall be operated in accordance with the mode of operation – Option 7b – as detailed in the Environmental Impact Statement Addendum, Section 16 as received by the planning authority on the 9th day of August, 2005 and shall provide that -

(a) the parallel runways (10R-28L and 10L-28R) shall be used in preference to the cross runway, 16-34,

(b) when winds are westerly, Runway 28L shall be preferred for arriving aircraft. Either Runway 28L or 28R shall be used for departing aircraft as determined by air traffic control,

(c) when winds are easterly, either Runway 10L or 10R as determined by air traffic control shall be preferred for arriving aircraft. Runway 10R shall be preferred for departing aircraft, and

(d) Runway 10L-28R shall not be used for take-off or landing between 2300 hours and 0700 hours,

except in cases of safety, maintenance considerations, exceptional air traffic conditions, adverse weather, technical faults in air traffic control systems or declared emergencies at other airports.

Reason: In the interest of clarity and to ensure the operation of the runways in accordance with the mitigation measures set out in the Environmental Impact Statement in the interest of the protection of the amenities of the surrounding area."


Depending on your interpretation of "preferred" and the amount of flexibility it provides, that could seem to suggest that the existing runway and infrastructure would need upgrading in order to deliver the same operational capability during periods of easterly winds.

Additionally, Condition 5 restricts overall airfield use;

"5. On completion of construction of the runway hereby permitted, the average number of night time aircraft movements at the airport shall not exceed 65/night (between 2300 hours and 0700 hours) when measured over the 92 day modelling period as set out in the reply to the further information request received by An Bord Pleanála on the 5th day of March, 2007.

Reason: To control the frequency of night flights at the airport so as to protect residential amenity having regard to the information submitted concerning future night time use of the existing parallel runway."


JAS

PPRuNeUser0176 17th Dec 2015 11:27

daa to submit planning applications for:

1000sq extension to 100 gates, think it's around 4 aircraft stands, 2 gates to allow foot access for all aircraft.

Segregation of 200 gates.

Moving of support facilities at mezzanine level of Terminal 2 to facilitate the provision of two exit points for passengers being bussed to and from aircraft.

A new transfer facility is planned in the departures level of Terminal 2 aimed at reducing queuing and congestion.

Planning Updates: Dublin Airport to ease passenger movement | Irish Examiner

Jamie2k9 17th Dec 2015 13:24

Vueling is showing direct DUB-ORY on website, no direct flights bookable yet however could just be for the Euro's.

PPRuNeUser0176 20th Dec 2015 00:44

A Sunday Business Post Journalist has tweeted

https://twitter.com/Fearghaloc


Dublin Airport growth potential threatened as new runway plans hit by serious planning Catch 22.
Guess more will be revealed tomorrow. You never know somebody may of read JAS post!!!

PPRuNeUser0176 20th Dec 2015 16:07

Looks like the article was in fact referring to peak restrictions above.

PPRuNeUser0176 21st Dec 2015 18:56

Latest News > One Million Passengers Use Dublin Airport As A Hub

Transfer traffic passes 1 million passengers and fitting it was EI's new LPL route as well!

EI-A330-300 30th Dec 2015 16:14

Do Germwnings not use fuel at DUB or are their ops team superb in planning. Held for just short of 90 minutes this afternoon and could of held for 40-45 minutes longer if needed.

All others only held for a few rounds before having to divert.....

flyingmed 30th Dec 2015 16:21

Puts EI / FR to shame? Not exactly, it is not very professional to continue holding if you will not get into your destination! Better to go to an alternate and see what the next best options are for the passengers and company whilst safely on the ground

Una Due Tfc 30th Dec 2015 16:55

Given the weather the last few days they may well have brought plenty of holding fuel in preparation. Also after what happened last year I'd imagine they're very eager to provide as good a service as possible by ensuring pax get to their destination to regain some consumer confidence.

It's also possible they hedged fuel at the wrong time and are eager to get through it as quickly as possible by tankering with prices still falling

El Bunto 31st Dec 2015 07:35

Germanwings at one point made a detour Up North towards Belfast but turned-around and went back into the Dublin hold.

What was interesting yesterday was the number of flights that chose not to divert into Belfast, despite there being confirmed space. One Turkish 737 went right overhead en route to Glasgow, another BA pilot stated that the company had told them not to use Belfast.

In the end only two went into Belfast, Iberia and Scandinavian.


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