West Coast
 

I presume to start a west coast route from Dub, United Continental would need a larger aircraft that the B757. I wonder where would be stopped or reduced to free up a B767 or B777

United/Continental will start to take delivery of the 50 B787 from next year and with a fleet of over 700 aircraft I think they will find an aircraft for SFO - DUB. I don't think they will take up the route but Aer Lingus will in time.

There would be high demand for RIX at this time of year. Many who go home for the summer will be coming back over the next week or two.

Aer Lingus and Flybe to pick up some of the flights as well.

Delta to reduce ATL to 5 weekly for winter. Nearly all European routes from ATL also reduce to 5 weekly.

Emirates starts to Dublin, January 10th 2012.

330 operation to begin with. Looks like 5 weekly.

Has it being officaly announced as there nothing on there website.

Hi do you have more information about emirates start in dublin
thank you.

Being the holy month of Ramadam, perhaps no announcements will be made till September.

Have no idea on the timing of the announcement. Only know that certain checks have to be done prior to a new route opening etc. All of that is being done/has been done as we speak.

The Festival of Eid has already started, so I would expect an announcement next week.

Much as I am delighted that EY has been flying to DUB and has built up a good operation here, EY is still a minnow compared to EK. From a trade and tourism point of view, this is a huge deal for Ireland. Also, since the A330 is on its way out, EK will be aggressive in building their Irish operation; they will want it to be a 777 route asap (and that's 77W, rather than 772), then build it up to twice daily.

I do hope EY stays in the Irish market, but EK is the one we really need; it really should have happened ten years ago.

Here's to seeing one of these beauties arriving in Dublin!

JetPhotos.Net Photo » A6-EAQ (CN: 518) Emirates Airbus A330-243 by John Fitzpatrick

Akerosid, normally I like your comments, and your opinions, but how can you make such a statement. 330's are still being delivered worldwide, and have at least a 20-30 year shelf life!

Not to put too much of a downer on proceedings, but given the outlook for both the local Irish and wider Global economies in the short to medium term, I suspect that the only way EK or EY will be going twice daily is if they start to sell low priced one way tickets to Australia. :\

JAS

The A330 is being withdrawn by EK is what he means

If that is what he means then he should have said it

OK, I am sorry. I bash my head against the desk in atonement.

Now that we've established that the A330 won't be in the EK fleet forever, can we just move on.

What I am trying to argue is that EK's fleet plans are actually good for us. EK's 332s seat 285 seats in a two class layout; the 77ws seat 440, so in order to fill these, EK is going to want to market us pretty aggressively. That's just what we need. Sure, the economic outlook isn't so good. Some things we can't control; what we can control is aggressively expanding tourism and trade opportunities; getting our foot (very belatedly) into the door of the EK elevator is going to open many new markets for us and since EK has metal on the ground (not just a codeshare), it has the incentive to market us aggressively in all of these new markets.

Runway length at DUB for a fully-loaded 77W >3000m. Granted, you certainly won't have a full load of fuel but they would be cutting a fine line if they are consistently putting on 440 pax and bags (which they would have to in order to warrant a T7) and freight plus fuel and reserves?

It will either mean they will pressure the authority to extend the runway or not bother with a larger aircraft. Personally I can't see the first one happening, even if it did runways take a while to build :ok:

Etihad are able to use a full loaded B777-300ER (412 seats) from DUB. The EK B777-300ER range from 354,358,364,427,442 seats so they would be able to operate them from DUB. Remember EK will have the A350 coming over the next few years so thats another option.

I agree with akerosid that EK are needed but I don't think EY will back down as they have a well established service and they are very well know in Ireland. Remember they have a maintenance base here to.

Lufthansa will night stop a A321 from end of October instead of the current A320.

Bmi early morning LHR will now operate at 07.05 with a mix of A319/320. (it was all A320 then all A319).

Body scanner trials will take place from end of Sep. They will be for staff in T1 only, it will not be compulsory to use them. They will then be introduced to passengers pending the out come of the European Parliament decision.

I'm not sure that the B777-300ER would have a problem operating from Dublin with a full load.
Remember it's only going as far as Dubai which is practicaly short haul when you consider the range of this aircraft. It would probably only require to have half it's fuel capacity.
The aircraft would be WAY under MTOW.

But the Irish authority surely like the CAA would demand a minimum runway run either way - remembering that weather conditions could impact on take off and landing run - there will still need to be some kind of approval I'd suggest.

How much shorter is Dublin than Birmingham or Glasgow? Both of which have the B777-300ER to Dubai on a daily basis. Thus far there's only been one spot of falling off the runway and that was taxi-ing round a tight corner at Link B at Glasgow....
Incidentally, the B777 has pretty good brakes.....

I'd have thought Dublin was longer than Birmingham, which isn't exactly known for its runway length.

Jeepers lads come on.

An aircraft can take off from any runway that it has performance data for.

The operator gets approval from the "aviation bodys" to operate it's aircraft, the performance data is supplied by the manufacturers who have approval to do so for the aircraft that they produce.

If the runway is short, the performance (weight) it can lift is greatly reduced. Vice versa if it's long.

IAA Approval for Dublin for a 777 to land/depart - give me a break!?

If the performance manuals said the 777 could only lift 1 tonne of fuel and 1 pax off Dublin 28, then that's what they'd do. Commercially stupid, but completely legal.

IAA has better things to be doing (but never does them).

The 773 is cleared to operate from DUB to UAE. Weather its EY or EK it can operate.

Take a look in UTube to see one take off if ye want.

You can thank "The Shannon Lobby" and the parish pump nature of Irish politics for the resultant situation of Dublin boasting the shortest main runway at the major airport of any western European capital city.

Back in the days of the stop over, there was no reason to extend (despite plenty of room at the 10 threshold end) and the pressure on then Aer Rianta to keep it that way via government was significant. All fine and well when going west required a stop in Co. Clare. Pretty dumb today when all the new business opportunities are a way off to the east.

JAS

ROI imports - UK 33.4%, US 11.7%, Germany 8.1%, China 6.8%, Netherlands 5%.

ROI exports - US 19.3%, UK 18.4%, Belgium 14.2%, Germany 7.1%, France 5.8%.

No sign of a runway extension requirement in these figures.

runway length comparison
 

DUB 2637m
BHX 2605m
GLA 2658m
MAN 3048m

Dublin, Birmingham & Glasgow have similar runway length.
Manchester clearly much longer.

Where does this leave us regarding operating fully loaded 777 or whatever from DUB to middle east airports?

How many times does it need to be said. DUB is cleared to operate a FULLY LOADED B777 to UAE. Can we move on or how many more people have to say its can operate before people get the message. :mad:

It won't be unrestricted I suspect but it will be a restriction that the airline can happily live within given acceptable loads and cargo revenues. In the burning heat of a Dublin summer (on occasion) with a full passenger and heavy cargo load, they might have to leave some cargo on the hottest days. The aircraft will never be "fully loaded" as it's never going to need max fuel and MTOW only going to Dubai or Abu Dhabi. "Fully loaded" would be the DXB-IAH run on the B777-200LR.

By way of comparison, CityJet frequently have to make decisions on passenger offloads at London City when the wind's not favourable and the loads are high. This does not stop them operating out of LCY however. Actually come to think of it, so do BA CityFlyer and they operate the most modern ERJ-190s. Hence, given that the runway length at DUB is comparable to GLA and BHX where Emirates have happily operating the B777-330ER for many years, it's therefore not a barrier at Dublin unless they really do have long Indian summers !

Were Aer Lingus suffering in summer flying DUB-LAX and SFO off the main runway on newish A330-200s? I mean were the payload restrictions prohibitive to profitability or was the route dropped for other more reasons?

i know of many flights that left for SFO and LAX with FULL loads in both cabins, and this was the days were each passenger was allowed 2 checked bags as well as J PAX taking 3 but have known many to take more and be allowed to travel with it. I know the route also generate a lot of cargo revenue so NO i don't think there was any restrictions on these flights in terms of payload, i would have at the time said if the A330-300's could make SFO or LAX with full passenger loads and cargo EI would have had them on the route.

I don't know about the profitability of individual routes, their load factors or cargo payload, but I can say that I've observed 333's heading to the US East Coast request to and then holding short of 2-8 explicitly stating that they had to wait until the wind picked up a couple of knots before departing.

(In fairness, I don't recall the reg, so it may have been one of the older, heavier 333's).

JAS

I believe it was the recently retired EI-ORD you mean JAS?

Runway length alone is not a sufficient decider on the performance available. Obstacles in the departure performance cone will have a significant effect on the weight an aircraft can lift.

Irish Times editorial on DART spur proposal this morning asks: Why was diverting the Dublin-Belfast railway line through Dublin airport never considered?
Dart to the airport - The Irish Times - Sat, Sep 03, 2011

Dublin-Dubai daily confirmed from January
 

Emirates service daily from January using an A330-200 operating three class configuration, 12.55 from Dublin arriving 00.25 following morning, 07.00 from Dubai arriving Dublin 11.30

Correct, now on emirates website. DXB-DUB will be EK161, return will be EK162

I cant see the 3 class config lasting.

Dublin-Dubai daily confirmed from January
 

Emirates service daily from January using an A330-200 operating three class configuration, 12.55 from Dublin arriving 00.25 following morning, 07.00 from Dubai arriving Dublin 11.30

Didn't they state that they weren't sure of this when they started DXB - MAN but it worked better than expected?

It does seem to be a trend at the moment that new Euro destinations for EK are opened with 3 class aircraft. CPH/AMS/MAD and now DUB. Like you say, how long until a 2 class B773 is needed?

It will be interesting to see where the 3 class unit comes from? EK21/22 for B777 anyone?

However, it will be interesting to see Etihad's reaction to this. At MAN, when EK went 3 daily, Etihad upped to double daily (after initially going up to 10 weekly), so, will Etihad fight it out at DUB, or retract?

press release found here,

http://www.emirates.com/ie/english/a...11393&offset=0