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davidjohnson6 26th Jan 2014 15:43

I'd be very impressed with any airline that can operate a flight ADD-LAX nonstop profitably - seems like a very long way to fly...

EK77WNCL 26th Jan 2014 17:10

From similar experience, I don't think the 77L would have any problem operating from DUB's 2600m runway to LAX. Providing they use the 77L, although I can't see the 77W having that much more of a problem, although it would have more pax/cargo restrictions but would still carry largely the same as a restricted 77L. Six and two threes really but it would be nice to see it happen.

According to Boeing's charts, a Boeing 777 200LR should be able to take off at sea level on a standard day fitted with GE90 115B's at MTOW in about 9200ft, so the hit for DUB-LAX would probably be negligible as it is well within the range envelope of the aircraft.

All names taken 26th Jan 2014 17:30

Interesting development indeed.
Ordinarily I would say that Ethiopian is one of the best run airlines on the African continent, but this is so left field, it smacks of the Bimans of this world.
Can't wait to see how it actually pans out.

Skipness One Echo 26th Jan 2014 17:33

The O&D in the DUB-LAX market would be zilch, the man in the street would just think of them as some dodgy African outfit. (I mean who might land a B763 at an unsuitable airport after a series of f*** ups en-route)
The US carriers would continue to hold sway with one stop connections.

davidjohnson6 26th Jan 2014 17:41

Skipness - unless perhaps Ethiopian hire a really good marketing person for their Dublin office and offer some really cheap DUB-LAX fares ? Could a UA codeshare be added for the DUB-LAX leg as well ?

Skipness One Echo 26th Jan 2014 17:56

OK they're in the same Alliance but I would strongly suspect United would not be looking to co-operate on this one, North-America to Europe is firmly in "their" camp.

EI-A330-300 26th Jan 2014 17:59

SOE

61,000 pax flew to LA in 2012 from DUB.

Up to last September it's the fifth busiest connection made from Dublin with the top five are SFO, MCO, SYD, New York and LAX.

2013 stats will probably be out soon.

Noxegon 26th Jan 2014 18:40


The O&D in the DUB-LAX market would be zilch, the man in the street would just think of them as some dodgy African outfit.
The man in the street doesn't give a flying (pun intended) if the price is right.

Una Due Tfc 26th Jan 2014 19:02

I was always told DXB/AUH were about the limit of what a 77W could do out of DUB without load restrictions, maybe I'm wrong! Could certainly see it working westbound, not so sure it would be as successful eastbound. Maybe only a stop neccessary westbound a la BA in SNN with their A318s? Emirates send 77Ws and A388s direct from DXB to LAX, usually over the pole when solar conditions allow. ADD is similar distance.

j636 27th Jan 2014 00:20

Very unexpected news, would be great if it happened.

hanger 6
You say the US wouldn't benefit which is correct but EK MXP-JFK not the same thing. (not done any looking into rights so they could be completely different agreement etc) Im sure Aer Lingus will object to rights anyway.

A 787 would in principal be best for the service with its lower operating cots and capacity to the 777's.

dj
Operating non stop isn't possible because of ADD location (elevation of runway), with the 788 fully loaded and expect the same for the 777.

Has work started on the USPC build?

INLAK 27th Jan 2014 06:03

A 77W or 77L would have no problem operating out of DUB to LAX. I'll run the perf figures in work tomorrow for exact numbers. From memory, a 77W on a standard day, can lift about 320,000 kgs from 28.

crewmeal 27th Jan 2014 06:41


The man in the street doesn't give a flying (pun intended) if the price is right.
Not sure if Ethoipian is dry or not but if it is then the Irish wouldnt fly it:D

Noxegon 27th Jan 2014 06:53

Ethiopian | In-flight | Economy Class

"Appropriate light snacks to full course hot meals are served on all flights, together with a wide selection of fine wines and alcoholic beverages."

racedo 27th Jan 2014 09:56


Not sure if Ethoipian is dry or not but if it is then the Irish wouldnt fly it:D
Ethiopian dry ?
Er why ?

stab3.5up 27th Jan 2014 10:23

This thread is going all Air India again!! Why not wait till we get something a bit more official before we build mountains out of mole hills. And talking of Air India I take that nothing more has happened with that story?

rutankrd 27th Jan 2014 10:27


Not sure if Ethoipian is dry or not but if it is then the Irish wouldn't fly it
Might be subsaharan however Ethiopia is predominantly Christian and overwhelmingly so among the ruling classes.

In addition there are sects nominally Jewish.

Alcohol is freely available as is the drug khat.

Muslims form a minority in much of the country other than border areas near Eritrea and Somalia.

No need to consider airline to be dry. In fact its one of the best on the continent !

Still opening a service to LAX is a major step for sure.

Jack1985 27th Jan 2014 12:14

Don't believe what I'm reading, are all us Irish heavy drinkers? Typical prejudice which is absolutely ridiculous. I think you'll find drinkers on flights cover a wide variety of nationalities.

Sober Lark 27th Jan 2014 14:49

Crewmeal is just being humerous. But, seriously, other than on over heating battery give me a valid reason an Ethiopian Dreamliner would need to visit Dublin.

seeryger 27th Jan 2014 15:32

Relax jack1985....we all need a sense of humour

Una Due Tfc 27th Jan 2014 17:50

I'd certainly avoid a dry airline on long haul if I could!


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