I'm pretty sure passengers don't have to make it back on board in time for a 25 minute turnaround, but can fly back later at their own convenience, that is if they're flying back at all.

Dg800

I thought that Ryanair/MOL always maintained that if they set any conditions, that's what you have to do. For example, no official requirement for photo-id on UK domestic services, but Ryanair insist on it, and if you don't comply you don't go.

Isn't this just the same ?

force crews on turn around flights to do customs and immigrations? Unheard of in Europe I reckon, at least I have never seen it happen anywhere, not even outside the EU proper. Transit is transit.

There is a lot to be said for it that one airline seems to be willing to stand up against this practice. Frankly, many airlines in Europe have accepted much to much stupidity and harassment of air crews in recent years.

What if ALL of the airlines would have reacted to overblown legal snafu's instead of just accepting them and continue as before? As for instance the general suspicion of every crew member to be a potential terrorist....

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but RYR make up their on rules which may not be in line with EU laws. For example, on internal flights, RYR insist on a passport being presented, not a local government ID card.

Or a non-EU passport holder in possession of a perfectly legal visa, will be denied boarding unless its been stamped.

RYR bend many rules, people who live in glass houses and all that.....

And what are the crew supposed to be doing during a turnaround - reading the paper?? Plenty of work to be done in the cockpit and cabin to prepare for the next leg in order to make a scheduled departure!

Suzeman

Can't comment on cabin work, never did it. However turning a 737 around is cockpit-wise less than 5 minutes of work, 10 if you do a full IRS realignment. And that is including doing your own W&B and all other paperwork. If you get those delivered to the airplane you can be set up for a return flight within 2 minutes tops. However much of that depends on streamlined procedures.

Please point out the EU law that FR is in breach of with respect to Passports........

Somehow I doubt they pay ALV / AHV / IV / OPK and all the other niceties that get deducted from your salary before having to pay income tax in Switzerland. Or were you trying to repeat that we do not pay taxes just because some ugly small man with big ears pretending to run France says so repeatedly? Or did you try to explain something else?

I am with Ryanair on this. I spent the last 20 years of my flying career doing four sector flights around Europe (and sometimes more).

Can you just imagine the chaos that would be caused if, for example, I flew from UK to Germany (for a quick turn round) and then had to go through immigration and passport control and back out my aeroplane again, to fly to Vienna, do the same rigmarole all over again, then fly to Prague just to go in and out of their immigration system before going to Istanbul and going to bed.

Can you just imagine what would happen at Heathrow if every Lufthansa, Air France, LOT, Iberia etc etc flight crew had to go through UK immigration and back out again every time they did a quick turnround?

Get real people; this is bizarre. It simply does not happen anywhere else that I ever encountered in 46 years.

It has nothing to do with Ryanair and it should be resisted at all costs.

Cyprus

President of one of the unions representing Cyprus Airways staff wants to report a joint agreement between the Cypriot state and Hermes Airports to the local commissioner for state aid control, the EU competition commission and IATA. He demands the national carrier be given the same incentives as those agreed with Ryanair.

No need but that doesn't stop MOL making the trip. I think he went to EDI to announce the winter reductions there a couple of weeks ago

Racedo - I can't and I'm not familiar with EU law. Other airlines don't require a passport on domestic flights, so why should FR?

The example I made was to highlight the fact that FR makes up its own rules and if you don't like it, fly or work for someone else. If Fr don't like the local rules in BUD, then base the aircraft somewhere else....

La face cachée du lowcost : Enquête sur le système Ryanair on Vimeo have a watch of this documentary and see if you still have the same sympathy.

Surely something FR do with regards to passengers getting on their planes is different to a country deciding to treat a certain companies crew different to all other carriers using their main airport?

As for the visa checks... All airlines need to check for these, there is no time to do so at the gate as it requires a few minutes to do it properly, so FR demand you do it before coming to the gate. Quite a simply process. Turn up to an FR desk, get it looked at and they stamp your boarding card, gate staff see the stamp and let you on. If you can't be bothered sticking to the terms and conditions you agreed to when you bought your ticket then why should FR up hold their end of the bargain too?

Jet2.com are another airline which demand a visa check is done before coming to the gate, so it's not even an FR only policy.

I'm pretty sure Ryanair is not the only operator flying non Schengen flights into BUD. Are those other operators subject to this border control ?

Happens in China on turns.. either you have to rock up in person or have a senior cabin crew take your passport to immigration even if on a turn.

He was in Alicante on 5th April 2011 (to announce the cuts during the winter season), 25th October 2011 (to remember the cuts during the winter season and then to FKB to announce the new base), 13th December 2011 (to announce the cuts during the summer season and then to PMI to announce the new base), 31st January 2012 (to remember the cuts during the summer season and to comment that the case would be processed in the Court of Appeal on 7th February. Then he went to PMI to announce the 5th aircraft in this base). So following last episodies, I expect announces in other places tomorrow... :rolleyes:

Whilst it is understandable that there are people making tit for tat comments about FR, none of them are sensible excuses for the Hungarian Authority's absurd and obviously illegal behaviour.

The only people who will suffer are the innocent hard working flightcrews in the short term and the Hungarians themselves in the medium turn when FR wins significant damages in EU courts.

If you want to fight back against FR's style of commercial blackmail, you ought to choose the terrain for the battle more carefully. :rolleyes:

Cyprus Airways union calls foul over Ryanair deal

Could this cause problems in the future.

Not sure how as given the precarious state pf Cyprus Airways it may not be around.

Union can complain to whomever it likes, nobody has to listen.