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The96er 11th Dec 2010 18:47


This is why American are not up against a locally based strong competitor, and have survived a quarter of a century at MAN, having seen off BMI who had few connections at US end.
Did BMI not connect/codeshare with United through ORD ??

Mouser 11th Dec 2010 19:12

Still waiting for that explanation why my reply was removed, and the thread that I was replying to.

wanna_be_there 12th Dec 2010 17:07


Sir if this is your conclusion from what I said then there's no point in debating. It's not exclusively a reason, I tried to guide you to some factors which explain why things are the way they are. And yet you dismiss them with a simple turn of phrase?

where did you try to explain this, as I didnt see any reference point to delta in your posts?


US? I would put on the fact that you are NOT in any way part of Manchester Airport or any airline therein.
I am an airline employee, I refereced MAN as us, because I was talking about the airport in an entireaty. Not that I should have to explain myself to you anyway.


You quote the F Service from Singapore. Mate you must be aware, that the bulk of the SQ service outta MAN these days is sold from Munich.

But the point is, they still use F at MAN, it is still the DESTINATION of the flight and after 25 years, they are still here.
Also, the MAN/MUC cabin split is not as simple as you put it. The demand on the day dictates where the bulk of the seats go. For example, the majority of Y will be given to MAN this month due to VFR traffic. In previous years when the flight was only 3 weekly, they added 2 more flights a week, but this year, they are allocating more of the capacity to us.

Anyway, with all the:


Sir

Mate

Dude
Tagged along with such irateness, were you high last night or something?

Skipness One Echo 12th Dec 2010 17:22


Tagged along with such irateness, were you high last night or something?
I was not but if implying that someone you're debating with is on drugs and therefore you are right helps you then what on Earth can I say?

My point about F class offeing from Singapore is that it is actually a by-product of the route now being split with Munich. There was not traffic for a B77W to route MAN-SIN with an F class exclusively for MAN. Actually can the B77W do MAN-SIN or did they need the B77E? Let's not forget that the reason SQ are struggling a little is because of EK, QR and EY. That's a whole other argument though.

I didn't attempt to solely attribute Manchester's many good points to being British at all. I merely point out that UK-US is greatly over represented in capacity if you compare it to European Country x - USA due to reasons of language, culture and history. This is the reason that AA served GLA / MAN / BHX / LGW / LHR / STN at one time. Similarly CO serving BFS, GLA, EDI, MAN, LHR and until recently BRS and LGW.

Historically we have also had presence in the Gulf region that other similar sized countries haven't. Hance when you look at Manchester and see Emirates, Etihad and QATAR whilst decrying Schiphol for not having anything similar until recently, I tried to explain the cultural and historical aspect. Now clealy Emirates have grown well beyond that, but it's where they started out. I even recall seeing the A300-600sat MAN back in the day.

This is also why we if we want to go to a former Dutch or French colony, St Maarten springs to mind, we go via AMS or CDG. It's worth looking at the background to see why things are the way they are is all I'm saying.

MUFC_fan 12th Dec 2010 22:02


Actually can the B77W do MAN-SIN or did they need the B77E? Let's not forget that the reason SQ are struggling a little is because of EK, QR and EY. That's a whole other argument though.
IIRC the 77W has a greater range than the 77E.

On your last point though I completely agree. SQ serves the Australasia region better than any other airline being able to connect MAN and a number of other European cities to this area with only one stop - something other carriers cannot. In fact, are they the only airline MAN-Oz who can serve it with one stop?

Obviously for those in Y and arguably J, price is a major consideration but for a significant majority of premium traffic, speed is of the essence. Therefore I don't see why SQ couldn't serve MAN daily with any equipment as a sole destination. Plus - SQ make an absolute killing on cargo from MAN. Another benefit of the 77W!:)

Ian Brooks 12th Dec 2010 22:24

I thought one of the reasons of a shared service is a shortage of aircraft
as many off the older B777 are now leaving the airline and there is a gap until,next aircraft is delivered

Ian B

marble bar 13th Dec 2010 06:50

EK serve UK/Europe Oz with one stop very well in fact twice a day from Manch

MAN777 13th Dec 2010 09:02

Returned on the A380 DXB - MAN on Saturday business class, I counted 3 empty seats, I also counted the first class getting off and think it was 7 or 8 so thats only 4 empty seats in first (no they didnt look like EK staff on an upgrade they all looked like businessmen). Downstairs is anyones guess but judging by the baggage hall I would say it was packed.

Great flight and and very quick processing, from touchdown to sitting in my car on the M56 it took 30 mins exactly, well done EK, MAN and MAG !!

pobox557 13th Dec 2010 10:30


I see me reply earlier in the day has been removed with no explanation, CHINA'S GOVERMENT I wonder:oh:
if you was refering to China airlines then china has nothing to do with it cause china airline belongs to Taiwan.

Its air china that belongs to china

wanna_be_there 13th Dec 2010 15:50

New route courtesy of TAP face book page:


TAP will launch 6 new European destinations in 2011: Athens, Vienna, Dusseldorf, Bordeaux, Manchester and Dubrovnik, which represents a 17% growth of its European network, in a total of 49 destinations

wanna_be_there 13th Dec 2010 17:17

More details of the TAP announcement:

LIS-MAN will be 5 weekly to begin with, and rising to 6 weekly for the summer peak.

aidoair 13th Dec 2010 17:26


More details of the TAP announcement:

LIS-MAN will be 5 weekly to begin with, and rising to 6 weekly for the summer peak.
Hopefully this will lower bmibaby's fares on the route, though hopefully it will not push them off the route altogether.

wanna_be_there 13th Dec 2010 17:35

agreed, and whilst it is highly wishful thinking, lets hope the 5 frequencies are Mon, wed, thu, fri and sun, that way with bmi baby on tue/sat, we have a daily connection to LIS.

MUFC_fan 13th Dec 2010 17:46


EK serve UK/Europe Oz with one stop very well in fact twice a day from Manch
Apologies - I meant NZ.

Great news about TAP - air travel is starting to grow again! :)

BDLBOS 14th Dec 2010 05:12

SQ two stops to OZ and NZ
 
SQ to OZ/NZ is two stops - MUC and SIN. It is also on that noisy 77W, which sucks after the first hour. Nice screen, many films and entertainment, shame you cannot hear anything above the din from outside. Can somebody ask SQ/Boeing to put some noise insulation in those critters!!

wanna_be_there 14th Dec 2010 05:48


Great news about TAP - air travel is starting to grow again!
Its deffinatly looking up, on top of that, OS is rumoured to start a 6 weekly service to VIE, and of course there are the slots held at MXP for a BDr or LHi service.

Thats quite a few star connections we got now...

I wonder if anyone will codeshare on the new TP service, such as UA or BD?

AUTOGLIDE 14th Dec 2010 08:00


Quote:
This is why American are not up against a locally based strong competitor, and have survived a quarter of a century at MAN, having seen off BMI who had few connections at US end.

Did BMI not connect/codeshare with United through ORD ??
They did, and from using it I found it a much more enjoyable and reliable way to get to the US West coast than AA's vintage fleet.

AirLCY 14th Dec 2010 08:22

T3 security queues
 
The last 3 weeks I've had to queue for 30-40 mins in the morning peak to clear security, it's a mess!! Anyone know if they are short staffed as only ever 5 or 6 of 8 lanes open! Trains to Scotland and London are becoming more appealing by the week!

busz 14th Dec 2010 08:27

http://www.ambitur.pt/site/news.asp?news=21646
 
TAP launches six new destinations in Europe

Bordeaux, Dubrovnik, Vienna, Dusseldorf, Manchester and Athens are the new routes of TAP in Europe in 2011, rising by 17% extension of its European network.

Manchester will have five flights a week early, bringing to six the peak of summer, six to Bordeaux, then increase to seven, five to Dusseldorf, four to Vienna, later rising to five, and three flights to Athens, passing five during peak periods. For Dubrovnik, the TAP will conduct one flight per week, only in high season.

The African continent will also have news next year, said Fernando Pinto, chief executive of the Portuguese airline, not advancing further details.

Financial activity of the company, the executive stressed that the TAP, SA will have positive results in 2010, despite the 160 million euros more than that recorded on their fuel bill. For Fernando Pinto, "the vast output of TAP is privatization." The official believes that this is the right fit for that. "

(Translated from Portuguese)

Vuelo 14th Dec 2010 12:27

It's quite an indightment that TP can see potential in MAN, yet IB/AEA/JK cannot....

BD would be crazy not to codeshare on the route, though not sure why UA would. It's all dependent on the schedule of course, but I can see SK/CO/US and maybe even EY or EK attaching a code to the LIS service.

The thing I am looking forward to most with this is a better connection to Brazil and hopefully South Africa, too.


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