Bagso
 

You are right about North America lagging behind. It seems to me that there are places no bigger than Manchester that justify more long haul routes to the US e.g Dublin has EI to JFK, Chicago and Boston, Delta to JKF and Atlanta, Continental x 2 to Newark, US to Phil and American to Chicago (plus seasonal daily Air Canada and 4 per week seasonal Air Transat to Toronto). Remember Man has lost BA to JKF plus the various bmi routes (though I felt these always seemed a bit half hearted) plus much Canadian traffic.

Surely some of the huge North American market in the London area must be drawing people from the Northwest or are they all going via Ams - though the volume on that route might suggest otherwise?

MAN is probably just as well, or even better off than DUB, considering DUB DOES have a based scheduled airline.
The 2 routes DUB does have that MAN could use are BOS and YYZ on AC.
We have a US A333 to PHL (meaning US have more capacity ex-MAN than LHR), 2 daily CO, AA to JFK/ORD, DL to ATL/ATL, VS to MCO, BGI and LAS, EK to DXB with the A380, QR to DOH, EY to AUH, PK to ISB/LHE/JFK/KHI, SQ to SIN and so on long haul.
Also, LH has flights to BRU via SN/FRA/MUC/STR/CGN via 4U/HAM. Anyway, you get the picture.

Yes, MAN can do better, and MIA looks to be added by AA next winter, HKG is a route that could easily be filled and some euro gaps could be filled. But lets not take pity on MAN, for we have a very very enviable route structure.

MrBloggs

I think you are the minority with that opinion! re: BA

MM

BA for MAN
 

MM

You wouldn't be taking the mickey by any chance :}
That's not like you.:rolleyes:

E.F.

wanna be there

My point is that Dub has a lot less of a catchment then Man so pro rata Dub is mcuh better served for North America than Man. Of course Dub only has Ethiad at 10 per week in terms of eastwards long haul.

Egerton flyer

No I wasnt actually - the experience of having BA resident
at Manchester has not been a good one recently for a lot
of reasons and has been discussed on here alot.
Expressing a desire to see them back is not common amongst
posters from what I have read ie: a minority view.

Having retracted to its London bases I see no sense in reversing
that.

MM

claireview

The DUB-USA axis is similar to the MAN-PAKISTAN one - just
on a bigger scale perhaps.
Given that Transatlantic travel from the 'regional' airports of the
U.K. is struggling for some ie:Birmingham fighting to keep Continental and
Bristol loosing their link,Manchester is perhaps poised to benefit
more from the 3rd runway cancellation,because it has managed to
maintain its links.

MM

It's very obvious that Emirates will need to increase their capacity to MAN. As people have said, they've reduced cargo capacity by a large amount (something which has kept SQ at MAN for god knows how long so obviously is very profitable!) so therefore either they need to increase cargo operations via SkyCargo or introduce a morning service.

I believe the latter will be the most effective. It simply needs more Y seats and cargo so therefore the 773/77W is the only option...

Regarding DUB, it is very unfair to compare MAN and DUB to the USA. DUB is pretty much 'mini-USA.'

I don't think even we realise how beneficial that is going to be to MAN...

Not a chance do we want BA back, all they ever did in last 30 years was try to spoil any other innovation by another operator, never anything off their own bat


Ian B

Regarding DUB, it is very unfair to compare MAN and DUB to the USA. DUB is pretty much 'mini-USA.

But thats the point I was trying to make. Considering Ireland/DUB's links with USA, and the fact LHR has a massive USA schedule, we are not too far off their offering:

DUB has 2 daily CO B757 to EWR, so does MAN.
DUB has 1 daily ORD B757 with AA, so does MAN
DUB has a daily ATL with DL on a B763, MAN will have the B764 for most of winter
DUB has daily JFK with DL, so does MAN.
DUB has 6 weekly (winter) B762 with US, we have daily A333
DUB has 5 weekly? A330 to MCO with EI, we will have 10 weekly A333/B744

Extras:
DUB has ORD/JFK/BOS with EI
MAN has LAS with VS and JFK with AA and PK. Also many more charters to SFB

Rumour wise:

UA to start ORD from MAN, US to start CLT on B762 from MAN and AA to start MIA from MAN.
US also rumoured from DUB with B752.

See, not that bad really. Seat wise, yes DUB probably has much more, but schedule wise, we certainly aint lagging behind!

Cathay seem to shift an awful lot of cargo out of MAN. Even with one of the highest Chinese populations in the UK, we still can't get a pax or combi flight direct to HKG or mainland China. You do wonder what it would take to get a pax flt.
What happened to the Air China Shanghai cargo flights?

BA have just announced that they have upped their JFK service to an hourly service at 7 a day, just curious about UA, AA CO etc

In relation to Manchester the New York area is possibly one of the few destinations where the % number of flights offered does at least bare some semblance to the potential traffic available ex Manchester.

Just out of curiosity does anybody have a "straightforward list" of frequency to other major destinations Ex Heathrow?

Eg JFK, HK etc

Boston and New York have massive ex-pat Irish populations so that's to be expected. There's more to a market comparison than simplisticly comparing the size of the catchment area.

US already fly DUB-PHL on the B757 and as for MAN-CLT on the B767, I doubt that. Beside the fact the B767s are coming off the Atlantic routes to be replaced by the A330-200.
The AA is a RE-START of a seasonal winter service that we've seen before though and I wouldn't be surprised to see return.

I do.

LHR-JFK
AA 4 x B772
BA 6 x B744 / B772
DL 2 x B764
VS 3 x A346 / B744
KU ? x B772

From 2010W add one each to BA and DL

LHR-EWR
BA 3 x B772 / B763
VS 2 x A346 / A343
CO 4 x B772 / B772

Giving a rough total of 27 flight London - New York if you throw in the two BA A318s at City.

LHR-HKG

CX 4 x B744 / B77W
VS 1 x A346
NZ 1 x B772
QF 1 x B744
BA 3 x B744

Giving 10 daily London - Hong Kong.

It's not a good comparison with MAN as LHR is the biggest hub in Europe and so is not just working on the London population.


It's more of a postponement. Give them time to see how many villages and areas of outstanding natural beauty their multi-billion dollar railway will scythe it's way through at £££ per mile and the fact that they casn't just shift capacity to a full LGW or a distant STN. It will happen later rather than sooner but it's gonna come.

US use a B767 on the route and they will keep the B767 on the route during the winter (B757 winter 09)

AA use a B767 on the route but they are dropping the route for the winter but it will resume in March 2011.

It wont be long until EY put a B777 or more flights with the A330.

DUB also have flights to Tel Aviv.

Is this to start flights to CLT from DUB.

Skipness

I also think you will see the third runway at lhr - but not given the
go-ahead until nearer this governments first term end.

MM

No 3rd runway at Lhr while Con/Libs in as neither want it


Ian

Ian Brooks

Yeah that may be the case for the time being but when
doners begin to pressure anything is possible.
As Heathrow 'bloats' on services this pressure will come
from all angles - just give it a little time.
and hey! its decision time,what they gonna do?
No-brainer or should that be a Yesbrainer!!

Until that time I think Manchester will benefit a little from the situation.

MM

Right so 1 week to go and the beautiful bird will be at MAN, can't wait! I used to see A380s everyday when I worked in Hamburg (For Airbus UK), have been in MSN 0003 (Signapore Airlines) in 2007 but never flew in one.

So can someone confirm in summary what is left to do with regards to operations for the A380s first visit? The 2 airbridges have been installed, have they been tested? Has gate 12 in pier b all been re-decorated, a complete refurb of the whole pier b is needed! I take it the airport must of spent a lot for the ground ops etc? New vechiles to reach the passenger doors for catering etc. How long will it take to re-fuel the A380? Will this be performed as per the current method of re-fuelling A/C or another way?

And finally, has anyone any pics of stand 12 inside and/or out? I'm at MAN on Saturday for the aviation fair so take it will see some of the stand from the AVP?

Sorry for all the questions, I'm just so looking forward to it's arrival at my local regional airport.

I meant to take some on Sunday but I got distracted by a noisy Russian... Yes you can easily see stand 12 from the RVP.

i'm watching her come in from T3 on wednesday.........