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TSR2 7th Feb 2009 09:40

Monarch are currently using the A300-600 aircraft to SSH from Manchester if that helps.

Mr @ Spotty M 7th Feb 2009 10:09

Give us the flight number, plus day of the week and l will check or someone might already know and post before l do.

im going in 7th Feb 2009 12:08

Mon4206/7 = 752
Mon4278/9 = Ab6
Mon6814/5 = Ab6

Blighty Pilot 7th Feb 2009 13:05

And for the mere mortals:

752 = B757-200
AB6 = A300 (nice!!!!!! :\ )

tubby linton 7th Feb 2009 17:10

The Manchester based A306 has a premium cabin fit,so try and get one of those seats.There may however have been a big swap around due to the problems caused by the A332 u/s so it could be a 361Y aircraft.

go-egnt 10th Feb 2009 02:28

Hi guys

i was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of a full copy of monarchs timetable including aircraft type (esp charters i.e MON flight numbers) from LGW for summer 09.

thanks in advance

tubby linton 10th Feb 2009 20:01

Monarch do not produce a timetable.You can have a look at the airline website for the ZB stuff which is predominately operated by 320/1.Charters do not have a timetable.A charter is nothing more than a taxi service for a tour operator and operates to the charterer's schedule.Aircraft type can be varied at the request of the charterer due to the expected load,however you would never see a 320 do a SFB,but you may see an A332 do a SHM but never a CFU.
If you can give a specific flight number and date you may be able to narrow it down.

CEJM 10th Feb 2009 22:29

Tubby, wouldn't be to sure about the fact that you would never see an A332 in CFU. I know that at the end of last summer season somebody had exactly that flight on his roster.

LTU operates the A332 on a regular basis into CFU

tubby linton 11th Feb 2009 08:45

I thought the A332 was banned from CFU.I remember a while ago the CAA ops inspector wasn't happy about the A306 going there and we stopped going.As soon as he retired it suddenly became suitable again!

CEJM 11th Feb 2009 12:12

Tubby, not sure with regards to the A306. Not my fleet so can't comment on it. The A332 was schedelued to do a CFU but due to the program going tits up on the day of the flight they rescheduled it to do a medium haul rescue.

Have to admit that we were just as surprised as you are. Never seen or heard that the A332 was scheduled to do any flights to CFU before that.

But the airport should be suitable for the A332 otherwise LTU (Air Berlin) wouldn't operate some of their flight to CFU on the A332. Oh well.

BYALPHAINDIA 11th Feb 2009 23:14

I thought the A332 was banned from CFU.I remember a while ago the CAA ops inspector wasn't happy about the A306 going there and we stopped going.As soon as he retired it suddenly became suitable again!

'CFU the '****@hole' as in Greece!!

Can think of better destinations.

factanonverba 19th Feb 2009 13:21

Jethro's reporting a 3rd ex-GB A321 to be joining the fleet, along with BS, that will 4 buses to replace the 4 757's that have left.

MUFC_fan 19th Feb 2009 13:23

What will be flying the route such as Egypt? I know the A321s can make it but when the temperature is 40+ can they still? Will it be the A320 as it has longer range? But this will obviously reduce capacity...

The 787 needs to hurry up! Many carriers are struggling to cope without their 757s! A revolutionary aircraft and the 787 should hopefully surpass this - it needs to!

BYALPHAINDIA 20th Feb 2009 01:21

I can't see all the 'Excitement' with this '787'

The 'Thing' isn't even built and already it has got a bad name to it!!

It's simple - Develop & modernise the 757 for another 15 - 20 years?

Nothing will beat the 757!!
Nothing has as yet.

'DREAMLINER' - Dream on!!

Skipness One Echo 20th Feb 2009 10:30

This is why you shouldn't post when you get back from the pub.

People stopped buying the 757 because the A321 could do most of the mission for less. The 757 came to be seen as overpowered and overengineered, hence the orders dried up.

Fantastic aircraft that has had its day. The 787 IS the future as the ordebook will testify too, it also looks damn good.

Now repeat after me. "Aircraft aren't as good as they used to be. When I were a lad etc etc etc........"

pamann 20th Feb 2009 11:07

go-egnt

I'm sure a crew member for Monarch would have a copy of the Summer charter flying programme which would list regular operated charter flights (as the majority are) during the summer months, assuming that is what you're after. I'm sure Monarch must produce one still for their crew (they did years back). I know my current airline who is also charter produce one to help it's crew understand what they cover when on standby. Obviously thing's can and may change throughout the season and it may be a little early still as I know we don't yet have one for this coming summer.

factanonverba 20th Feb 2009 11:32

Summer prog not released yet!

mudcity 20th Feb 2009 15:44

not strictly true...there is a provisional summer prog floating around, this shows a A332 going to CFU on a Monday night !! should be fun ?

Mr @ Spotty M 20th Feb 2009 16:13

mudcity
Does it show the A321 operating flights to Egypt?:{

SCANDIC 22nd Feb 2009 09:45

Monarch 757s
 
Will we see any of the remaining monarch 757s at man this summer, when is G-MONB going to the states and also there is a tommy cook 757 for fed ex as well.:)

Mr @ Spotty M 22nd Feb 2009 14:44

G-MONB may well leave this week, currently undertaking an engine change, once completed hopefully it will then dept.:ok:

Robin Pilot 22nd Feb 2009 22:53

Hi all,

I've tried a search and had no luck so please don't shoot me down.

I'm getting married in Sicily in Sept, and half of my family have had letters from Monarch cancelling their flights from Gatwick. Apparently they are cancelling all flights from Gatwick during the Summer season.

Can anyone shed any light on this? The other half of the family will be flying from Manchester so is it likely they'll be cancelled too? Would love any help - not least because the bride and I will be making the long trip from Brisbane beforehand!

Thanks in advance.

Evileyes 23rd Feb 2009 04:29

Hi Robin Pilot, congrats on your upcoming nupitals.

Have you contacted Monarch and asked them? Or the agents you bought the tickets from?

Folks, PLEASE don't use PPRuNe as a substitute for customer service. The answers you receive from this anonymous website are worthless in comparison to getting factual information and/or a commitment from the company or agent you bought the tickets from.

More importantly, bad advice here can cost you money, aggravation, and a missed trip with nobody to blame except yourself.

The Mods

squeaker 23rd Feb 2009 12:26

Monarch don't do scheduled flights to Sicily, so guess it would be the charterer/tour operator you need to speak to.

Robin Pilot 24th Feb 2009 00:50

Thanks Evileyes. Indeed, the airline were the first port of call. No further information was forthcoming, however. Only "all summer ops from Gatwick cancelled".

I realise that a large handful of salt should be taken on here - however any information would be better than the "customer service smoke screen" I have been presented with so far.

I thought, as an existing member of pprune, I would throw the question up in an attempt to find out some further info. Then I'll look at all I have and take an educated guess on whether the 30 guests I have flying from Manchester would be better off making new arrangements or risking their existing reservations.

All bookings were made directly with the airline concerned - no tour operators have been involved.

TartinTon 24th Feb 2009 08:04

Robin, sorry mate but you can't make bookings direct with the airline to somewhere they don't fly to!

Have a look on the website and you'll see their scheduled destinations. They don't fly to Sicily and have never sold flights to Sicily as a scheduled destination.

It could have been Cosmos (the tour-operating arm of Monarch) or any number of other tour ops but it would not have been the parent company.

airhumberside 24th Feb 2009 08:10

You can book at least some Monarch charters on their website, though Catania is only on sale from MAN

TSR2 24th Feb 2009 08:42


All bookings were made directly with the airline concerned - no tour operators have been involved.
Before changing any existing reservations from Manchester, my advice would be to write a 'private and confidential' polite letter to the Managing Director of Monarch Mr Tim Jeans explaining your predicament and seek assurance that the Manchester service will operate as advertised.

pabely 24th Feb 2009 11:52

I think one of the exGB exEZY A321s was handed over during the weekend did the other pass across as well Ok?

jethro15 24th Feb 2009 12:09


I think one of the ex GB ex EZY A321s was handed over during the weekend did the other pass across as well Ok?
Yes. Both ferried Gatwick - Luton 22/23 Feb for acceptance checks, but they are not quite Monarch's yet

jethro
jethro's UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings

red 5 24th Feb 2009 18:33

G-TTIH handed over today and G-TTII will be handed over to Mon Tomorrow.

bmibaby.com 24th Feb 2009 20:41

Will Monarch be continuing their programme of flights to destinations such as the Gambia, Egypt and east-coast Canada now with the Airbus A320 or 321, or will these routes be "upgraded" to longhaul capacity? Not sure the 321 can do most of those missions, and the 320 I'd imagine would probably still struggle.

TartinTon 24th Feb 2009 22:54

Still got 3 x 757s so can carry on until they've gone I suppose unless they upgrade the aircraft as you say. Depends on tour op demand.

partyboy_uk 24th Feb 2009 23:10


Will Monarch be continuing their programme of flights to destinations such as the Gambia, Egypt and east-coast Canada now with the Airbus A320 or 321, or will these routes be "upgraded" to longhaul capacity? Not sure the 321 can do most of those missions, and the 320 I'd imagine would probably still struggle.
What?? Monarch do still have 4 x A300, 2 x A330, 3 x B757 and a B767 which are all capable of doing those routes you mention.

As it happens, there is rumour that some Egypt flights may be on the A321 this summer, although the summer schedule is not yet available to confirm this.


Indeed, the airline were the first port of call. No further information was forthcoming, however. Only "all summer ops from Gatwick cancelled".
Just to be clear here. If you originally made a search on the Monarch website for your flights to Sicily then you would have been redirected to the Avro (flight only and charterer's website), although admitedly you would not necessarily be entirely aware of this at the time.

Despite the Avro logo appearing in the top right-hand corner, you would have also seen the Monarch logo and Jo Public may not necessarily realise that it is Avro (one of the charterers of this flight) that you were making the booking through. However, I would expect this to appear in the T&C's, and it is them who you should contact about your flight.

I assume the "all summer ops from Gatwick cancelled" refers only to this particular route, and nothing else your post might imply. Monarch's charter flights are determined by the companies who charter them and not Monarch. In case you didn't know, it is possible to tell this is a chater flight because you would have had a flight number beginning with MON. Good luck with your booking! :ok:

Robin Pilot 25th Feb 2009 04:14

Thanks for the help guys.

So to make sure I understand this. Despite me booking through the Monarch website (yes there was an Avro logo in the corner - but that means nothing to me), I was in the hands of a tour operator since the advertised flight I was booking was, in fact, charter. The tour operator technically "owns" the flight, and they've decided to cancel it for whatever reason. It has nothing to do with Monarch, their scheduled ops or their Gatwick ops in general. I'll get onto Avro.

Lesons learnt by my good self - thanks again guys.

TartinTon - You are correct it wasn't scheduled. They do fly to Sicily - by charter - and you can book through their website (or so it appears). And as far as I was concerned it was direct with Monarch for the reasons explained in brackets above. Or - I just made the whole thing up to waste your time. For my next post - a complaint about my cancelled EasyJet flight to Kabul.:)

simonchowder 25th Feb 2009 12:41

Heard a rumour MON are basing two A321 aircraft at DUB this summer, any truth in the story?

MUFC_fan 25th Feb 2009 12:57

Somebody has to fill the Futura Gael void....

tubby linton 25th Feb 2009 13:12

I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than two,but no widebody this year.

SCANDIC 26th Feb 2009 19:25

G-MONB
 
G-MONB departed today at 11.15am, i'm not to sure where she would be flying to. Its the end of an era for monarch, i think that the thomas cook 757 has departed for fed ex too.:{

harer92 26th Feb 2009 19:45

Monarch 787
 
Hi,
Will The Monarch 787s Come with ptvs in all classes onboard - Premium Economy + Economy. If so will they be AVOD or just looped.


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