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skyman771 17th Nov 2010 13:52


Chief executive Carolyn McCall has said easyjet is committed to the airport…..
I for one would not take any comfort from this, they are not investing at all in their base which I have intimated before rests on a knife edge. The problem is that they see greater potential revenue returns elsewhere and in such an environment there is never going to be ANY speculative expansion.

..and is focused on retaining a “profitable share” of the market.
This is in reality what one should be concerning oneself about, as any drop in profit / revenue & it may be all over !

andrewmcharlton 17th Nov 2010 19:10


and is focused on retaining a “profitable share” of the market
To be fair that's what every business should do. It sounds a bit like the dreaded manager's vote of confidence mind in footballing parlance. I suspect that Flybe would suit STN and others perhaps better to Jet2 but those pax figures do suggest a bottoming out given the industrial action and ash cloud as previously mentioned. Flat or modest growth might even be on the cards from spring onwards.....

Then we can get back to the important stuff like crazy NYC chatter, runway extensions and perhaps a hotel opening....ho hum.

ash666 18th Nov 2010 08:17

Pity about the Rome flight, I use(d) that one.
Apart from EK which seems to be a big success it seems like NCL is going down the pan. How unfortunate to have it as my local airport.

skyman771 18th Nov 2010 12:12


Apart from EK which seems to be a big success it seems like NCL is going down the pan.
Lets put this in context, the WHOLE COUNTRY is going down the pan! What is perhaps more worrying is that the North East as a whole is likely to suffer more than most, which will obviously have an adverse effect on airport revenues.
What should not be overlooked is that effectively NCL's catchment area is decreasing. A decent no. of Pax. used to come from the North, even well accross the border, but due to a diminishing Loco offering at NCL vs. EDI which now offers a very comprehensive no. of Loco sevices / destinations, then this has all but dried up. This basically leaves Thompson & TCX to trawl in what there is from this corner of the market by means of capacity control & favourable pricing.

..How unfortunate to have it as my local airport.
Anyhow lets face it "Ash" it can always be worse, just ask those down the road at DTV !

ash666 18th Nov 2010 12:14

I don't know why I haven't looked properly at EDI before, easy enough to get to.

apaul 18th Nov 2010 12:39

Apart from having a better range of European routes (partly because of many more incoming visitors) I don't think you'll find EDI a better airport than NCL. Re parking for example, you only get 10 mins for £1 for dropping off near the terminal and its £5 if you go over 10 mins. If you want to avoid the charge you have to go the long term car park and get a bus. A lot of the terminal building is older and more crowded than NCL. NCL is far from perfect, but it's one of the better airports in the UK in my opinion and performs reasonably well given the limits of its catchment area.

ash666 18th Nov 2010 12:42

At the end of the day it's the choice of flights that important. Maybe that's why EDI is crowded.

Get me some traffic 18th Nov 2010 15:35

And Teesside is empty!!!

SWBKCB 18th Nov 2010 16:18

From the Journal:


BUDGET airline Jet2 is creating nearly 120 jobs at Newcastle International Airport next year after seeing a dramatic increase in business. The carrier needs the new ground staff, pilots and cabin crew as it moves to fly to five new destinations from Newcastle next summer.

It is also bringing its fifth Boeing 727 to the airport as it starts the services to Alicante, the Algarve, Toulouse, Krakow and Prague. Jet2 will be the airport’s biggest airline when it completes its growth plans which will increase its seat capacity by 50%.

The service, owned by Dart Group, last year had a record year at Newcastle with more than 300,000 passengers using it at Newcastle. It launched six new leisure routes to holiday destinations including Cyprus, Egypt, Turkey and Gran Canaria and currently has 40 flights a week departing from the airport to 20 destinations.

In addition to its new routes, further services are being added to existing summer 2011 schedules to holiday favourites, including Ibiza, Mahon, Malaga, Tunisia, Murcia and Palma. The expansion comes as rival easyJet is axing services to Murcia and Rome and reducing the frequency of other services as part of a nationwide shake-up of its business.

Philip Meeson, boss of Jet2.com and Dart Group, said: “Easyjet is cutting back its presence at Newcastle Airport significantly in 2011. Jet2.com on the other hand is growing its presence dramatically for next year. We see Newcastle Airport as a really key location for us, hence we are introducing another aircraft, to operate additional destinations and increased flight frequency. Customer feedback shows there are additional routes and services the people of the North East want, and we have factored those into our plans.”

Dart Group will release its financial results today.
Yesterday EasyJet was Newcastle's biggest airline - lies, damn lies and statistics!

dwlpl 18th Nov 2010 16:53

727!!!!!!!!!!!!

rpmac 18th Nov 2010 22:23

Skyman wrote that the numbers of passengers using Newcastle but coming from North of the border is decreasing and this is true. The arrival of the Low Cost airlines has made the difference because years ago there were few Charter/holiday flights from Edinburgh and so passengers frequently used Newcastle and Glasgow. It was common to hear people say "oh we are flying from Newcastle (or Glasgow, even Manchester) but not very much now. Now we hear "flying from Edinburgh" .....
The airport is very modern, not crowded and easy to use.

ash666 19th Nov 2010 05:50

rpmac
Is it easy to get from the train station(? Waverley?) to the airport?

rpmac 19th Nov 2010 09:16

Yes... Airlink bus 100 every 10 minutes direct to the airport, about 25 mins journey time. Lothian bus no 35 also, but not from the station.

fl dutchman 19th Nov 2010 10:08

Re comments about EDI.
 
Lets not forget that NCL is also easy to get to from the main train station (Frequent Metro direct into the terminal).

It is also modern and in my opinion easy to use. It is also not crowded these days.

Has it not won some awards recently for service?

Does it not come fairly high up the list in terms of punctuality?

Parking isnt to bad when comparing with some other airports.

Regarding routes, dont forget NCL still has a very good choice of routes both charter and scheduled.

I do agree with the earlier posters re people not coming down from Scotland in such high numbers as before due to availability from EDI. But does NCL not have an advantage with cheaper flights in some cases ie lower supplements with some tour opperators etc.

NCL is by no means perfect and no doubt many a fault can be found. However No airport is perfect, some are better or worse than others.

I have been around for quite a while now and In my opinion there are a lot of airports both in the UK and Worldwide many times worse than NCL.

Incidentaly I dont work for the airport.

ash666 19th Nov 2010 10:12

rpmac
Thanks :ok:

skyman771 19th Nov 2010 13:38

Re comments about EDI.
 
fl dutchmen & others
Guys I was not seeking to make any comment constructive or otherwise ref. EDI in fact I haven't flown from there since the "Turnhouse" days, ... fond memories of the old buildings....
Good news about Jet2 in particular the adding of new destinations, though the benefits of evermore competition on the "bucket & spades" is questionable and one wonders if the reality is simply a power struggle at best, or simply getting one's foot firmly in the door to ensure that no one else can get in if a certain airline were to pull out:uhoh:

fl dutchman 19th Nov 2010 15:10

Skyman771.
I have no problem with your comments re EDI/catchment you are quite correct. Was just trying to ballance the view of NCL vs EDI as an airport

Re Easyjet I note that the number of flights this winter is probably not much different to last when there were 5 aircraft not 3 as at present. So the better efficiencies reffered to by the Chief Excec are probably valid, as last winter the aircraft utilization was poor.
However that does not apply to next summer where there must be about 40% cut in capacity. So does that suggest they didnt make any money last summer hence the cut back in the coming summer. If they did make money last summer surely they could have kept capacity about the same by basing 5 aircraft just for the summer or by flying W patterns from other bases to supplement the 3 based aircraft..
I think Skyman771 is correct re jet2 getting its foot firmly in the door incase someone pulls out. Unfortunatley that is quite possible the way things are going although I hope not. If they were committed to NCL, going from 7 to 3 based aircraft over the last few years and almost no new routes is a funny way to demonstrate that. Of course the Scottish factor may be big factor in the decision, but it does not seem to affect Jet2 decision to expand or TCX bringing in aircraft 4.
We will probably get a better indication about Easyjets future plans when they release winter 2011/12. Lets keep our fingers crossed.

Still looks like STN ends in March, anyone heard anything?.

I do think someone will announce Rome for next Summer shortly !!.

ash666 20th Nov 2010 07:00

Just been looking at the EDI timetable. They go direct to New York!!
I don't want to start that argument again but it must be one in the eye for NCL.

deltahotel9 20th Nov 2010 09:28

Its not too hard to see why TCX can add another aircraft if you look at other factors, apparently there is a resurgance in package bookings especially all inclusive deals so people know exactly what they will spend in their holiday in these 'tough economic times'.

In a similar manner it's quite possible others are struggling more as the prices EZY charge from NCL are never that cheap compared to other bases, without wishing to open the EDI debate further compare the prices. Having said that LS are not cheap either, just compare prices to LBA.

If your are prepared to travel a bit further you can get much cheaper fares with the same airlines that fly from NCL, personally I hate traveling to other airports when I can fly from the local but if you are counting every penny is does matter.

CabinCrewe 20th Nov 2010 10:38

EDI JET2 to NYC ? I see no mention of it, and would doubt it against CO , unless its a JET2 holidays charter


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